Naruto Mafia DP1

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@BearMan
My votes are not unsubstantiated
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do have some scummy claim that would best be told up front?  
Yes as I mentioned earlier, I’m an antagonistic role. And I am Kaguya Otsutsuki. 
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Forgot to tag you, look above
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do have some scummy claim that would best be told up front?  
Yes as I mentioned earlier, I’m an antagonistic role. And I am Kaguya Otsutsuki. 
Thanks for that. 

What duz Mr & Bear think of this claim?
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But I’ll say this once again, I don’t think the theme is good vs evil because of my character, and I was explaining that to Pattern and That. It’s more likely than not that that isn’t the theme.
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Yes as I mentioned earlier, I’m an antagonistic role. And I am Kaguya Otsutsuki. 
Thank you Pie, hope you study well
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@oromagi
Thanks for that.  
My pleasure. My top scumread is probably Pattern at the moment tho, he’s been vague and hypocritical and kind of defensive although I guess I can be perceived as defensive as well
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@That1User
Thank you Pie, hope you study well
Thanks ❤️
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@oromagi
Otsuki turns good. I personally don't think Pie is scum due to his nature of being open about his role since the very beginning. 
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@oromagi
Kaguya was a very good figure turned vile after she got drunk on power... So either Pie is scum or our theory is false. 
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@BearMan
That isn't the case from what I remember... Might be wrong though

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@Pattern
Your votes are not unsubstantiated but neither is mafia's. Mafia can literally find any way to prove that someone is scum even though they are not. I think you're high possibility of scum, but your new-ness makes it a bit less possible.
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@WaterPhoenix
You have to ask Supa.
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2. oromagi                       
TOWN                               CLAIM
7. WaterPhoenix
4. That1User                  Sakura Haruno
9. Speedrace                   Gaara                         PARANOID GUN OWNER
12. Greyparrot              Sasuke Uchicha      TRACKER
11. Pattern
8. Crocodile 
1. skittlez09
6. BearMan                     Hint?
3. MrChris
10. Ragnar
5. iLikePie5                     Kaguya Otsutsuki.
SCUM                              CLAIM

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WaterPhoenix [1/7] Bear
Greyparrot [2/7] Speedrace,  skittlez09
iLikePie5 [2/7] That1User, oromagi


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@MisterChris
my impression was that she had good intentions but her methods were wrong.
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@MisterChris
Oh wrong dude. I'd rather go with the good v evil theory being wrong (as it is just a guess) than possible false-lynch. 
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My scumread for now is Pattern. He has shown a pattern that is worrying, and sows discord and confusion when there shouldn't be any. I'm willing to believe Pie for the time being, and an affirmative or negative result on voting Pattern would certainly reflect whether we were right to believe him. Plus, if anyone has an investigative role, surely they could investigate Pie?
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@MisterChris
So either Pie is scum or our theory is false. 
not necessarily. if our theory is "anyone against naruto is scum" then sure, kaguya is scum. but if we base it on if they're a good person or not then i don't know if kaguya is scum. however, my pm phrases it in a way that says i'm only town because i was an ally of naruto so you could be right.

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So fill me in on the DP.

Im sorry for my inactiveness I was working on making a powerpoint
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So....

does that means NOBODY else has any scummy claims on CHARACTER or ROLE that would best be told up front?
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@BearMan
agree
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@oromagi
Maybe not. As you said, Supa never claimed there would be a clear theme split. That said, Pie's character is at least ARGUABLY good
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Im sorry for my inactiveness I was working on making a powerpoint
tell town what they need to know about you now.  Think carefully about what town needs to know.
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Maybe not. As you said, Supa never claimed there would be a clear theme split. That said, Pie's character is at least ARGUABLY good
Nevertheless, I think bad guy characters  and anti-town roles should claim now.  We can see there's a couple of folks at least are going to split the theme whether its warranted or not so we might as well sort out any problematic claims right out front.  If that's going to be something TOWN will argue about then we want the option of disproving that theme split sooner.
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@MisterChris
On what?


I agree with Water that the theory about good v evil is flawed as good is up for interpretation. On terms of investigating Pie, I don't really understand why he's a scum read besides the fact that he claimed an antagonist when the split was obviously defined. I think Pie is telling the truth and the theory is correct, Pie is telling the truth and the theory is wrong, or Pie is mafia. 

If you look at it logically, there is an ok chance that Pie is mafia. This DP, I don't think we should lynch anyone, but determine a probable theme split, based on the claims that are already on the table. That said, Pattern looks very mafia, and if he's not, he'll just be a useless town.
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Pie is now more likely town because he has given us the option of lynching him.  If we feel like we should prioritize theme discovery, then Pie is an option at least.  I for one, don't prioritize theme discovery until one scum and one town have flipped so I have at least one test of theme.  In DP1, I like to prioritize information gathering.  Quiet players should all be challenged and I find lynching the quietest newbie has a better chance of hitting scum DP1 than any analysis of theme or gameplay.  That said, we should totally expect we will likely kill town DP1 and look for at least one certain advantage that  we might glean from that loss.
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@Crocodile
UNVOTE

VTL CROC

what does TOWN need to know about you?
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Added 08.23.20 04:09PM
2. oromagi                       
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7. WaterPhoenix
4. That1User                  Sakura Haruno
9. Speedrace                   Gaara                         PARANOID GUN OWNER
12. Greyparrot              Sasuke Uchicha      TRACKER
11. Pattern
8. Crocodile 
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6. BearMan                     Hint?
3. MrChris
10. Ragnar
5. iLikePie5                     Kaguya Otsutsuki
SCUM                              CLAIM

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Bearman [2/7]
 Water, Pattern
WaterPhoenix [1/7] Bear
Greyparrot [2/7] Speedrace,  skittlez09
iLikePie5 [1/7] That1User,
Crocodile [1/7] oromagi,

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@MisterChris
My scumread for now is Pattern. He has shown a pattern that is worrying,
haha get it pattern has shown a pattern? ack ack ack you can stop your applause now, i'm just too funny.
we were right to believe him
correct me if i'm wrong but he's only been against grey parrot, no? i don't think we should blindly lynch gp if pattern flips town as the only reason pattern was against him was due to hiss lack of activity.