Are not the police run by leftists in the UK? They have a state hospital system to protect after all.
As for me, I hold the position that everyone is flawed, but the system probably isn't out to get you. You're not that important.
“The percentage of minorities in the Federal Workforce increased by 0.4 percent to 35.3 percent in FY 2014 from 34.9 percent in FY 2013, which is notably greater than the percentage of the Civilian Labor Force that is comprised by minorities (32.5 percent).”
Racism is a campaign-killer in the US for a reason
and as for police, there is no evidence that officers target black civilians at a rate higher than their per capita crime rate.
You also ignore the fact that the US federal gov employs a disproportionately HIGH number of minority Americans:
Doesn't reflect systemic hiring discrimination to me.
why would you think that? trump called mexicans rapists and still won. Racism (as long as you can hide it behind a veneer of something else) is fine with alot of people.
what about things like stop and frisk? That was a policy that was almost exclusively aimed at harassing people of color. The fact that this policy was allowed to happen at all, let alone continue to be defended to this day, shows you that racist policies are not unusual.
these stats don't tell me where they work. If the Federal government hires all minority janitors that does not mean there isn't an issue with racism.
No, he didn't say all Mexicans are rapists. He said rapists are coming through the southern border illegally, and that is true.
No, the policy was not made or aimed at harassing people of color. It was created to save lives.
Let's assume all of them were janitors for a second. You're telling me racist people in power want to hire a disproportionately high amount of black janitors? You're really reaching here bud. If they were racist, they may hire a proportionate amount of black janitors, but disproportionately high? You can't be serious.
Anyway, when the sole platform of many campaigns is "I'm a minority vote for me," I think you're out of the loop on this one.
You act as if overt racism is not something that will get you fired before you even make it to a position of true power.
In fact, that's kind of where this all started, white people importing black people to do manual labor.
ok, but that's a bit like screaming "Teachers are rapists!!!". There are teachers that are rapists. Most are not. So saying it is extremely inaccurate. And making it about race makes it extremely racist.
it was made to unconstitutionally search and harass people. It was targeted at minority communities. Therefore it was a policy designed to illegally harass minorities. Forgive me for not cheering for the government violating the constitution to target people of color for harassment because they thought they knew what was best for them.
i don't understand your disbelief. Racist people are fine with having people of color doing manual labor.
100% agree. Being a minority is not a credential. I mean look at kamela harris. She is awful. She still laughs about how she tried to arrest parents over truancy.
ok, but if those "flawed" (ie racist)
Are you saying that this unfortunate incident was all about race?
You're the one who made it about race.
As for it's constitutionality, I can't really comment because I don't know the nuances of the court case on the policy. The rest of this I have already refuted.
Only when they aren't competing against white applicants. Yet, out of the white applicants and the black applicants they chose a disproportionate amount of black applicants, and yet they are still racist towards black applicants? It's really a nonsense argument.
And when you drop the assumption that they are all doing manual labor (they are definitely not, we've had a black president for Pete's sake) the whole thing falls apart even further.
Anyway, my main point with that is that if people find success running for office on the "I'm a minority vote for me" platform, then racism in politics is a very moot issue.
Are you saying that this unfortunate incident was all about race?sorry, no I was referring to police action in general. It is entirely possible that it had something to do with this incident as well.
One of the officers yelled "You’re acting like an animal, it’s disgusting".
I have to wonder if they would yell things like that at a white person for trying to stay with their terminally ill child.
As well as what?
It is disgusting. And I believe the man called those officers animals too and before the officer said he was acting "like" an animal. Do you believe these officers were animals, as the man said?
In the case of these officers and the woman in particular , I am pretty convinced she would would have, she came across as rude, indifferent, abrupt and soulless. Maybe that is the stress of the job? But I didn't detect a single bit of racism. Where as it appears that you will pull racism out of thin air at every given chance.
As well as what?things like the murder of george floyd.
Do you believe these officers were animals, as the man said?What kind of man wouldn't fight to try to protect his child and be with them?
In the case of these officers and the woman in particular , I am pretty convinced she would would have, she came across as rude, indifferent, abrupt and soulless. Maybe that is the stress of the job? But I didn't detect a single bit of racism. Where as it appears that you will pull racism out of thin air at every given chance.as i said, i don't know if she is just a shitty person, or if race played a part in it.
calling someone an animal is dehumanizing behavior, which is common in racist people.
Alot of time racism comes across in giving different treatment to people based on race. IE being comforting or polite to a white guy but dismissive and abrupt with a black guy. This difference in treatment then elicits a different response (ie you are more combative if you are treated like shit). The police then use that combativeness to justify them treating them like shit.
Do you believe these officers were animals, as the man said?What kind of man wouldn't fight to try to protect his child and be with them?I didn't ask you that.
So then why at all did you leap at the opportunity to bring race into this conversation IF you don't know either way?
So you are saying that the police officer/s was dehumanised
Do you think he was being indifferent, abrupt and soulless because me and Mrs are white?
Do you believe these officers were animals, as the man said?What kind of man wouldn't fight to try to protect his child and be with them?I didn't ask you that.but your question was irrelevant.
So then why at all did you leap at the opportunity to bring race into this conversation IF you don't know either way?christopher and I were having a discussion that included other things.
So you are saying that the police officer/s was dehumanisedI'm saying a man was being dragged away from his child who was dying.
In that situation, I am certain I would call the police nasty things too.
But police are supposed to be trained on how to handle this stuff.
They should be able to deal with this situation better emotionally than a man whose child is about to die.
Then why did you even mention that this man was likened to an animal AFTER he had called these police officers "animals", if it is "irrelevant"?
christopher and I were having a discussion that included other things.Yes and you sprang on the opportunity to bring race into the conversation. Why?
No, what you said was : " But calling someone an animal is dehumanizing behavior, which is common in racist people." These officers were also called "animals" was that dehumanising?
I agree and this I am sure, cuts both ways under these stressful circumstances.
But police are supposed to be trained on how to handle this stuff.No. What the police are trained to do is uphold the law. Here in the UK is all the police have to do is up hold the Queens peace. They do not have to be lawyers , care workers, social workers or medical mediators.
I too believe it maybe could have been handled a little more delicately than the abrupt manner in which it was managed. But this wasn't a racial issue as much as you are begging it to be.
Then why did you even mention that this man was likened to an animal AFTER he had called these police officers "animals", if it is "irrelevant"?
christopher and I were having a discussion that included other things.Yes and you sprang on the opportunity to bring race into the conversation. Why?
No, what you said was : " But calling someone an animal is dehumanizing behavior, which is common in racist people." These officers were also called "animals" was that dehumanising?sure, but there is a massive discrepancy in circumstance.
But police are supposed to be trained on how to handle this stuff.No. What the police are trained to do is uphold the law. Here in the UK is all the police have to do is up hold the Queens peace. They do not have to be lawyers , care workers, social workers or medical mediators.
I too believe it maybe could have been handled a little more delicately than the abrupt manner in which it was managed. But this wasn't a racial issue as much as you are begging it to be.you either misunderstanding me or misrepresenting what I have said.
I have never claimed that I know racism played a role here.
Then why did you even mention that this man was likened to an animal AFTER he had called these police officers "animals", if it is "irrelevant"?Your question was whether I think the police were animals, that is irrelevant.No it isn't "irrelevant". This man called the police animals. Do you agree with him?
OK. And do you believe this was a racist incident? If not - OR - you don't know then why even mention racism in this instance?
You'd like there to be. One party called another party "animals" and vice versa. So did this man dehumanise the police when he called them animals.
Maybe but its not compulsory. They are not in the force for another reason but to uphold the queens peace, that is their job!
I have never claimed that I know racism played a role here.But you didn't hesitate to attempt to inject racism into this thread. post#7
