Poker Mafia - Endgame

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SupaDudz - Phil Hellmuth - You are known as “the Poker Brat” for your temperamental attitude at the table and your tendency to trash talk your opponents all time time - especially after a bad beat. However you don’t seem to let that temperament tilt you, you have fifteen World Series of Poker bracelets, the highest of any player. 

warren42 - Chris Moneymaker - Yes, your name is literally Moneymaker. You were the first World Series of Poker winner to have qualified through online tournaments. Your win led a large increase in interest in the game of poker, which was dubbed the "Moneymaker Effect." 

Discipulus_Didicit - Johnny Moss - Known as the “The Grand Old Man of Poker,” you learned how to gamble and play cards at a young age. You were born in Texas and travelled around Texas playing high stakes games. You were the first ever World Series of Poker Main Event winner, then you won it 2 more times. 

RationalMadman - Johnny Chan - You tie for 2nd place for the most WSOP bracelets won, at 10 bracelets. You were born in China, then your parents moved to the US to become restaurant owners, but you dropped out of college at 21 to become a professional poker player, which really worked out for you. 

BearMan - Archie Karas - You’re from Greece and your full name is Anargyros Nicholas Karabourniotis. Although some consider you a weak poker player, you are a prolific gambler, having gone from $0 to millions back to 0 then millions again many times. 

PressF4Respect - Doyle Brunson - One of many Texas players, you’re considered one of the most influential poker players. In your younger years you would play high-stakes illegal games organized by criminals, and you would have guns pulled on you for winning too much. You tie for 2nd place for the most WSOP bracelets won, at 10 bracelets.

ILikePie5 - Daniel Negreanu - You are a skilled poker player with career winnings of over $42 million, a lot of it for charity. You attribute your skills at poker to the ability to read people. You’re also a Hearthstone streamer.

Mafia

Crocodile - Stu Ungar - You were a poker prodigy and is widely considered THE best poker player of all time. Unfortunately you succumbed to fame and died of cocaine overdose at age 45. Stu Ungar’s childhood and history is way too interesting to be described in a paragraph, read about him here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stu_Ungar

Speedrace - Phil Ivey - You were considered one of the best modern day poker players since you won your first World Series of Poker bracelet at age 23. Now you tie for 2nd place for the most WSOP bracelets won, at 10 bracelets. 

oromagi - JC Tran - You’re a well-rounded player from Vietnam who has had numerous money finishes in the World Series of Poker, World Poker Tour, and various casino tournaments. 

Mafia abilities

The mafia has 2 day ability and 2 1-shot night abilities. Only one ability may be used per phase. You do NOT have a factional night kill.

PEEK (day) - the mafia may choose to peek at one other player’s cards.

EDGE MARK (day) - the mafia may choose to look at what are the next 6 cards that will be dealt. This means the turn and river cards, and 4 additional cards which are guaranteed to not be in play this DP.

COLLUDE (night) - once per game, the mafia who have not folded may choose to swap any cards between each other.

CARD UP SLEEVE (night) - once per game, one mafia member may choose to introduce any card, excluding a community card, Joker, or a card the player already has, into his hand. The introduced card will be permanently shuffled into the deck, and the replaced card will be permanently removed.

Town Roles

High card - miller
Pair - tracker
Two pair - watcher
Three of a kind - cop
Straight - BP, effective this night only
Flush - doc (no self-doc)
Full house - popular next DP
Four of a kind - double vote next DP
Straight Flush - vig
Five of a kind - declared innocent child

Mafia Roles

High card - goon
Pair - roleblocker
Two pair - lookout (same as watcher)
Three of a kind - lawyer
Straight - BP, effective this night only
Flush - ninja (can only be used in conjunction with night kill)
Full house - strongman (can only be used in conjunction with night kill)
Four of a kind - double vote
Straight Flush - additional kill
Five of a kind - additional ninja strongman kill

Actions

1. SupaDudz - town - Phil Hellmuth - DP1: TD,3D (doc RM); DP2: 9S,WR (cop oro); DP3: 3H,AC (track RM); DP4: 4H,5D (NK press, watch croc); DP5: 2C,TD dead
2. warren42 - town - Chris Moneymaker - DP1: 6D,TH (cop oro) dead;
3. ILikePie5 - town - Daniel Negreanu - DP1: 2D,4S (cop speed); DP2: 3H,5C (track); DP3: 2D,2H (track RM) died;
4. PressF4Respect - town - Doyle Brunson - DP1: KC,QD (BP); DP2: 2C,9C (check/fold); DP3: 3S,9S (miller); DP4: JS,KC (track waive); dead;
5. Crocodile - mafia - Stu Ungar - DP1: 4C,3H (lawyer croc); DP2: WB,7H (kill oro); DP3: AH,JC (lookout Supa, kill Pie); DP4: 3C,9D (RB waive); DP5: KC,5H (kill RM)
6. Oromagi - mafia - JC Tran - DP1: JC,JS (double vote); DP2: 9D,JC (RB pie); dead;
7. Discipulus_Didicit - town - Johnny Moss - DP1: 6S,7D (BP) dead;
8. BearMan - town - Archie Karas - DP1: KH,3C (cop speed); DP2: 4D,2D (check/fold); DP3: TC,WR (track forfeit); DP4: QC,2C dead;
9. Speedrace - mafia - Phil Ivey - DP1: 8H,9H (steals 9C, kills warren, n-s-kills Disc); DP2: 5H,JS lynched;
10. RationalMadman - town - Johnny Chan - DP1: 4D,6H (cop oro); DP2: QH,KH (miller); DP3: 9D,JS (track croc); DP4: AH,KC (track Supa); DP5: 5C,JC ()

Commentary

The game was designed so mafia would most likely get the majority of the night kills through cheating, and they did.

Intense game, especially for mafia. Croc really did pull that oro-kill gambit, at the advice of scum and myself. By DP3 I thought the chance of mafia winning was lower than 10%.

Phase 1's cards were crazy, and it was completely by chance. It resulted in 4 cops for town. Mafia would have used their cheat ability to come up with up to 3 lawyers if they wanted to, they they went for the yolo play of getting that 5 of a kind for the additional kill. So croc ended up with the only lawyer and lawyered himself, which was unlucky because he was the only one to not get copped.

Since oro was going to die anyway croc decided to try his luck at the ultimate gambit. He got very lucky with the cards and town bickering to survive and win the game.

NP3 the mafia tried to kill Press, but I misread and killed pie instead. I made that mistake but I think it ended up in favor of mafia, because Supa killed Press.

RM was kind of right about the mafia roles. The mafia roles for Pair, Flush, Full house, and Five of a kind (4 out of 10 hands) would have resulted in a non-town-confirmable role. It was again luck that scum didn't hit any of those hands on the nights when it really mattered.

RM did very well this game in terms of reads. His extensive poker knowledge also helped town. On DP1 he called out all 3 scum in a single post. He was also the only one to seriously consider that croc may have killed oro as a gambit. I don't think he was more anti-town than anyone else in the game, which breaks from his usual meta. At the end of the day RM was the most correct about who was scum out of all the living town players.
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YES LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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lmao ninja strongman goddamnit.

So I assume this post is why I was shanked...

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NP3 the mafia tried to kill Press, but I misread and killed pie instead. I made that mistake but I think it ended up in favor of mafia, because Supa killed Press. 
😭😭
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Pocket Jacks are notoriously hard to play in poker. Crazy scum got a 5oK out of that.
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So what would you have done for a six-of-a-kind (two jokers in the hole, 4-of-a-kind on the table)?
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YES LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I got your ass NP1. Dieeeeeee
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So what would you have done for a six-of-a-kind (two jokers in the hole, 4-of-a-kind on the table)?
6oK is impossible cause there are only 5 cards
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Track and watch were a lot less powerful in this game, because town could also do the NK. That's why I put them in the low-tier roles.
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In holdem you're only allowed to make a hand out of 5 cards.
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Track and watch were a lot less powerful in this game, because town could also do the NK. That's why I put them in the low-tier roles. 
I think the game was definitely balanced. But you just wanted me dead didn’t you?😭
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NP3 the mafia tried to kill Press, but I misread and killed pie instead. I made that mistake but I think it ended up in favor of mafia, because Supa killed Press.
Slap yourself hard on the face right now. 
This would have let me completely prove Croc was scum.

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Croc really did pull that oro-kill gambit, at the advice of scum and myself.
Wtf?
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Slap yourself hard on the face right now. 
This would have let me completely prove Croc was scum.
+1
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When I saw I was one card away from straight flush DP1 my brain just used that info and ignored everything else in the poker aspect of the game and just focused on the mafia aspect.

Consequently I did not notice I already had a regular straight and was operating in DP1 under the assumption that I was most likely going to not get the straight flust (as it was unlikely) and that I would be tracker NP1.
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When I saw I was one card away from straight flush DP1 my brain just used that info and ignored everything else in the poker aspect of the game and just focused on the mafia aspect.
Ya that’s what I thought you had
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Wtf?
That’s major sus. Makes me wonder if I really got killed accidentally 
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I think only their powers should be secret, not their roles. That was a huge advantage for mafoa and only thanks to the joker day 1 and mafia now lawyering up, did we stomp them early like that.
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He should’ve been scumread. Especially after is “strategy” failed miserably.

Everyone claims their cards and he creates a course of action. Impossible with only the flop on the board. Makes it easier for scum to navigate too. 

I get it now, you are saying that it is a bad strategy and therefore either RM was dumb or he was scum and you believe RM to be a super genius therefore he should have been scumread.
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I get it now, you are saying that it is a bad strategy and therefore either RM was dumb or he was scum and you believe RM to be a super genius therefore he should have been scumread.
You calling RM dumb? 😨
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You calling RM dumb?
No. I am directly stating that you are implying he is very smart. I am also indirectly implying that being wrong does not always mean a person is scum.
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Lol that's not my fault. I told my teammates to lawyer me and they didn't listen, and I still won so
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No. I am directly stating that you are implying he is very smart. I am also indirectly implying that being wrong does not always mean a person is scum.
Town and scum can be dumb. His strategy was dumb and he turned out town. His strategy in my game was dumb and he was scum.
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Lol that's not my fault. I told my teammates to lawyer me and they didn't listen, and I still won so
😂😂😂
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Basically everything croc did this game was coached. He's a relatively new player, the game mechanics were kind of complicated, and he knew nothing about poker.
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I am slapping myself for making that NK mistake. If I didn't, mafia would probably be slapping themselves. As I pointed out after the mistake had been made, why would croc NK someone who he "copped" and got an inno on?
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Basically everything croc did this game was coached. He's a relatively new player, the game mechanics were kind of complicated, and he knew nothing about poker. 
He had two experienced buddies to help him. You didn’t need to give them the idea of a NK bus