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on top of that, if town is tracked visiting the dead, it's the easiest mislynch ever for scum to hide behind.
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@ILikePie5
Sorry. You just my biggest scum read. You're kinda switchin up massively and it's making me sus.
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Why are you against the card-outing scenario even though you agreed with me that it's a brilliant way to ensure tomorrow is a 1v1 scenario in some shape or form?
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we can change whether we folded or bet during the day
yes you can make any decision as long as it's done before the turn and river show
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@PressF4Respect
you agree with me on the card-outing, so please speak up or it's not going to happen.
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You went from townreading me to scumreading me simply over me standing my ground on something that would be so easy for me to give up on presenting or antagonising you with if I were scum. You were completely on my side all game long, why would I need to irritate you or argue with you if I were scum?
That’s a lie. I said your in my top 3 scumreads.

I'd never do that but you don't know that as you think I am simply gambit-hungry and dumb.
You’re definitely gambit-hungry. Dumb is debatable.
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It helps town manipulate the game too, severely so. It would mean we had a very skilled plan tonight where tomorrow is almost certainly going to narrow down scum becaue we will have clears vs counterclaims in almost no time whatsoever. Instead, you want to allow scum to easily be wrongly cleared if they lack the NK tonight as they'll be tracked visiting or whatever (I assume almost all scum roles involve visiting but I can definitely be wrong there) and since who they visit doesn't die and since they never had to reveal their cards the day before, they retrospectively come up with a hand to claim that lets them be townread and fits their visit perfec
You can’t create a perfect plan because roles will switch after the last two cards are revealed. Town cannot create a full proof plan. It’s literally impossible especially with scum knowing our every plan. You’re literally advocating a military to give their plans to invade a country to that country.
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@Vader
Sorry. You just my biggest scum read. You're kinda switchin up massively and it's making me sus.
May I ask what I’m switching up on?
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I challenge RM to a 1 for 1. If I get lynched rn. He should be NKed tonight. And vice versa. 
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Do you accept RM?
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@RationalMadman
I am not against it anymore. I said that
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@ILikePie5
I accept no plan that doesn't involve us all revealing cards and fully planning the night out. You can 1 for 1 me all you want, if you are town that's 2 town and 2 leading, active town at that.
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@ILikePie5
You’re literally advocating a military to give their plans to invade a country to that country.
This doesn't matter when every move that the enemy makes is going to backfire on them thanks to the forced reveal.
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@ILikePie5
You’re literally advocating a military to give their plans to invade a country to that country.
Currently, we have no plan whatsoever. I am suggesting we make a plan and the only way to make a plan is by that revealing process.
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@RationalMadman
Now, I actually think we should see the night phase actions. Then, we lynch Pie.
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see above. 
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@Crocodile
Why should we not out actions first? Why Pie over Supadudz?

We must plan the actions and folding vs betting so wisely that no single wrong or useless result can come from town as fault of town's incompetent organisation. This is my plan and will absolutely happen if you all agree and we out our cards.
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I accept no plan that doesn't involve us all revealing cards and fully planning the night out. You can 1 for 1 me all you want, if you are town that's 2 town and 2 leading, active town at that.
I’m 100% you’re scum. What are you afraid of. Why don’t you accept it? I’ll even sweeten the deal. Get rid of me first then you.
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@ILikePie5
I will repeat the reply to that:
I accept no plan that doesn't involve us all revealing cards and fully planning the night out. You can 1 for 1 me all you want, if you are town that's 2 town and 2 leading, active town at that.
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@ILikePie5
Why are you 100% sure I am scum?
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Currently, we have no plan whatsoever. I am suggesting we make a plan and the only way to make a plan is by that revealing process.
We can make a plan without knowing cards by using hypotheticals. Like if Supa is tracker he should track Press. Press to Croc. So on. Create one for watcher and tracker and cop. Why do you need cards to determine this? If they don’t follow their course of action they’ll get caught and they’ll be scum right? 
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Why are you 100% sure I am scum?
Asking for everyone to out their cards without a need to especially when there is one scum left who can use this information to their advantage. Especially since they can cheat. Especially since we don’t know the turn and river. All of this is scummy af. 
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I will repeat the reply to that:
I accept no plan that doesn't involve us all revealing cards and fully planning the night out. You can 1 for 1 me all you want, if you are town that's 2 town and 2 leading, active town at that.
Nope. No to card reveal. Y’all can lynch me but when I flip town, RM should be lynched for openly supporting this scum move.

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@ILikePie5
Nothing you say explains why it's a scum move. Thos aggressive play from you is your towntell so no I don't want that 1 for 1 it's useless when and if you flip town.
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@ILikePie5
Asking for everyone to out their cards without a need to especially when there is one scum left who can use this information to their advantage. Especially since they can cheat. Especially since we don’t know the turn and river. All of this is scummy af. 
We will have 8-12, more collectively known cards for the town to judge their move kf foldimg or betting. On top of that, we guarantee that mafia cannot possibly fake who they vosited or if they can, that others get vindicated woth a high degree of certainty. Furthermore, we prevent retroactive convenience in the scum's ability to fakeclaim tomorrow.
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8-12 depending on honesty of 1-2 scum.
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@ILikePie5
The vote is probably 4-2 when press gets back.
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@ILikePie5
Based on your aggressive reaction to this situation, I'd prefer 1 for 1 me vs supadudz but even then I don't get why we need to risk it when we can just reveal cards and safely plan the night.
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Based on your aggressive reaction to this situation, I'd prefer 1 for 1 me vs supadudz but even then I don't get why we need to risk it when we can just reveal cards and safely plan the night.
There’s no safe planning this. It’s impossible. I’ll agree to your card thing on condition. You agree to 1 for 1 me. We VTNL for 2 DPs and both of us get killed in the night. It will still end up being 3-1. 
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@ILikePie5
I agree to 1 for 1 supadudz but I dont agree to lynch me or you today, we do it tomorrow or tonight depending.