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@EtrnlVw
It's okay, simple things take longer for simple souls.
As do simple ideas for simple minds.
Why saying "God doesn't exist" is indefensible
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@Plisken
God is obviously supernatural
Exactly, the supernatural and the non-existent are indistinguishable from one another, obviously.
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@Plisken
"Are" is a helping verb for "discerned", also a verb. Spiritually is not a noun.
Nice to see you missed the point of my post entirely. Well done.
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@Goldtop
1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: such asa : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universeb Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind2 : a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of realityAs we can easily see by the actual definition in Merriam's, the author dishonestly left out the rest of the definition, which shows something different than what he is claiming.
This is my favorite argument to refute by the way, which is the real reason I "left out the rest of the definition".
"A lightface colon following a definition and immediately preceding two or more subsenses indicates that the subsenses are subsumed by the preceding definition:
2crunch noun . . . 3 : a tight or critical situation: as a : a critical point in the buildup of pressure between opposing elements . . . b : a severe economic squeeze . . . c : SHORTAGE
se·quoia . . . noun . . . :either of two huge coniferous California trees of the bald cypress family that may reach a height of over 300 feet (90 meters): a :GIANT SEQUOIA b :REDWOOD 3aThe word as may or may not follow the lightface colon. Its presence (as at 2 crunch) indicates that the following subsenses are typical or significant examples. Its absence (as at sequoia) indicates that the subsenses which follow are exhaustive."
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This, in case you don't know, is an instruction on how to use the dictionary.
Here is a definition
Subsume - to include or place within something larger or more comprehensive :encompass as a subordinate or component element <red, green, and yellow are subsumed under the term“color”>"
In other words, the part you claim I left are not essential to the definition, simply are examples.
And certainly, deapite this, it can be said that God is worshipped as the crearor and ruler of The Universe.
The Ultimate Reality is God.
And being The Ultimate Reality, your unwillingness to accept this has absolutely no bearing on The Ultimate Reality.
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@EtrnlVw
Lol, so in other words Ethan wasn't just "making up" crap?
Certainly, the author of those verses was making up crap.
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@Mopac
In other words, the part you claim I left are not essential to the definition, simply are examples.
That's an obvious lie, those are your own words.
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@Goldtop
Nice to see you missed the point of my post entirely. Well done.
Naturally there's not much point in reading into a logical construct based upon false pretences. I'm sure whatever you are referring to is just laziness on my part, nothing worthy of congratulations I'm afraid.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Yes, I would say my argument is also a legitimate Muslim post. Because even if we understand things differently and have diverse cultures and expressions, God is written on the hearts of all. We recognize The Ultimate Reality as being God.
I can't speak for all of any group at all, but the argument would be a legitimate argument for the monotheistic God. This is the God of my faith, certainly. The God of us all. No one exists without this God. Everything exists because of this God.
But at the end of all the law and the prophets is that God is salvation, not these created things.
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@Plisken
Naturally there's not much point in reading into a logical construct based upon false pretences.
Would those be the false pretenses you didn't point out? Yes, Pretenses is not spelled with a c. fyi
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@Goldtop
These are certainly examples of How God is looked at. These are subsumed, see?
But they are not exhaustive.
Try again mad fumbler, or join the realm of sanity by admitting God exists.
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@Mopac
You're just tossing word salads. There is no meaning in your words at all.No one exists without this God. Everything exists because of this God.But at the end of all the law and the prophets is that God is salvation, not these created things.
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@Goldtop
Have mercy on those who are foolish enough to say, "There is no Ultimate Reality."
They are children. They don't know what they are saying. Be nice.
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@Goldtop
You not being able to make sense of what I say doesn't mean that my words are "word salad" or that "there is no meaning to my words at all".
They don't mean anything to you, amd the reason they don't mean anything to you is because nothing has meaning when you say, "The Truth is A LIE!"
You are clearly the mad fumbler here. You would be better off recognizing your error and confessing The Truth.
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@Goldtop
I'm sorry, not sure which false pretenses you are referring to.
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@Plisken
Who cares? His accusation can be discredited easily because his premise is that the truth is a lie. This is a dead tree. You already know and said. Anyone who takes him or his claims seriously at this point is deceived as he is. The Truth is plain to see.
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@Plisken
I'm sorry, not sure which false pretenses you are referring to.
Neither do I, you were the one who brought it up.
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@Mopac
They don't mean anything to you
Or, anyone else.
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@Goldtop
Your position is that there is no ultimate reality, which means you don't even believe what you say is true.
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@Mopac
These are certainly examples of How God is looked at.
And, this is an example of how you look at God...
"Ultimate Reality"
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@Mopac
My position is that your words are meaningless salads.Your position
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Sorry, let me better address your post...
You are right in that it is better to say,
"Believing in God has nothing to do with being or joining a religious group"
But you also say...
"100% of the theists on this site correctly picked / joined / the right religious group. ( correct, right . religious group means the one that is 100% correct.)"
There is no religious group that is 100% correct, and it is the Christian teaching that only God is 100% correct. That even all the righteousness of man or mankind amounts to nothing compared to God. That God is The Truth, and all men are liars.
Which is the obvious truth.
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@Goldtop
Your position is, "The Truth is a LIE!"
You are crazy.
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@Goldtop
"Neither do I, you were the one who brought it up
Oh? I don't recall saying "do" to you, but perhaps I'm mistaken or you've responded to the wrong person. In any case, I have no idea what this is supposed to be referring to. What was brought up that we both do not do?
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@Mopac
Is it ignorance on an atheist because a theist can only flail his arms around while tossing empty words into the air when attempting to demonstrate the existence of God? How does that work exactly?Atheism towards God. is a position of ignorance.
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@Mopac
Your position is, "The Truth is a LIE!"
My position is that your words are meaningless salads. Why do you keep lying about my position? Is that all you know how to do?
You are crazy.
Sure, pal.
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@Goldtop
No one needs to prove that there is truth. You don't believe in truth, so personal whim is your evidence.
You are crazy.
You don't have to be crazy though, you can turn away from your wickedness and confess The Truth.
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@Goldtop
Ignorance is just a lack of knowledge. The education system or lack there/of is irrelevant to ascertaining whether or not you are ignorant of something.
Does that make sense?
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@Mopac
No one needs to prove that there is truth
And, you are following that statement to the letter, you've proved nothing but the ability to toss a word salad. Bravo!
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@Plisken
Sorry, have no idea what you're talking about.
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@Goldtop
You asked if it was ignorance to not know something when someone flails their arms and how that works. You are ignorant of many things simply by not knowing them. It''s that simple.