Bloodline Day Phase 2

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I hope GP wasnt doc, doc needs to be on me tonite. Vaarka is other scum most likely fmpov.

Vaarkas suggestion last DP that i not get doc under any circumstance. was entirely anti-town. I'm either a guaranteed lynch or a guaranteed confirmation. The guaranteed confirmation, even if untrue is much better odds than hoping for a random save on anyone else. 

GP was the only other person who otherwise discussed it and put forward that he hoped protective roles were in game to protect me. 

Also note, though Vaarka did vote Hammer who I still think is scum, it wasn't till I called him out on it. He voted GP at first and tried to start a separate wagon. 

Hammer/Vaarka for scum team? If not Hammer, Earth/Vaarka. 

I wanna hear hammers claim, then Lynch Vaarka based off that.


Town

Supa
Danielle
Drafter
Rational

Null

Nobody

Sus

Earth(by PoE if either Hammer or Vaarka flip town and lack of substantive activity.)

Scum

Vaarka
Hammer

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UVC

Drafterman (1/5) - RM
Hammer (3/5) - Drafterman, Supa, Budda
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Earth is dead and flipped town, yo
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Hammer/Vaarka for scum team? If not Hammer, Earth/Vaarka. 

I wanna hear hammers claim, then Lynch Vaarka based off that.

Being that Vaarka is scum in either possibility. Its important to note that Earth played generally reserved regardless of affiliation in beginners 1.0 from what I remember.
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Oh shit, LMAO. Well he was the PoE if the two proposed were wrong anyways. Other than looking silly for thinking GP was the one who died, my point about his statement to town regarding doc still stands as pretty sus xD. 

I was going back over the DP and that stuck TF out to me in retrospect. I think GP is town based off that too. 



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Town

Supa
Danielle
Drafter
Rational
GP


Null

Nobody

Sus

Scum

Vaarka
Hammer

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I for the life of me do not understand why I saw GP when I read that. Maybe it was cause I've been itching to get that read out since this morning 😂
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my point about his statement to town regarding doc still stands as pretty sus xD. 

His as in Vaarka.

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Does mafia know what the hidden role is?
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I've been susp of hammer all game long.


VTL HAMMER

but don't hammer him till he makes a full claim guys.
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Because it was a scum slip. You - as mafia - tried to kill GP but your kill was redirected to Earth. So you came in guns blazing. /s
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Drafterman (1/5) - RM
Hammer (4/5) - Drafterman, Supa, Budda, Hammer

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It doesn't matter if it's Hammer or Vaarka lynched to me at this point. 

@Greyparrot- is his claim really gonna change anything? It won't to me tbh
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Drafterman (1/5) - RM
Hammer (4/5) - Drafterman, Supa, Budda, GP


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/s is /sarcasm? 

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I suppose it doesn't matter anyways. It'll be revealed tomorrow regardless. 
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Err on the side of caution, maybe he has something irrefutable.
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 if he's not scum I'm at a loss as to who in my TR's would be scum. 



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I cannot believe i didn't pinpoint my previous read before. What you did there was pretty much what Virt did in 1.1 with suggesting doc out.

Calling for doc to protect an unconfirmed non-cop is facially sus AF, but actually so town to say it hurts that I didn't see it right away. Had I maybe could've gotten Danielle to reconsider the FoS and vote Hammer 😑

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@Greyparrot
 Before as in during the DP .

Calling for doc to protect an unconfirmed non-cop is facially sus AF, but actually so town in regards to inno child to say it hurts  that I didn't see it right away. Had I, I maybe could've gotten Danielle to reconsider the FoS and vote Hammer 😑

^^fix'd

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This may be true, but I think he would have known if redirected. I don't know it seems reasonably fair to be alerted
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+1
but don't hammer him till he makes a full claim guys.

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@Greyparrot
Err on the side of caution, maybe he has something irrefutable.

The main issue i honestluI honestly take with this is nothing precludes him as mafia from claiming an important character and/or Doc to root it out via the inevitable CC. 

Understanding the desire for caution, that caution can easily backfire fmpov. 



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Or really any major PR for that matter.
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and the sheep baa baa to the rhythm of the staff.

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unvote hammer and give him time to claim you imbeciles k thx
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unvote hammer and give him time to claim you imbeciles k thx
We want to pressure him into claiming with an R-1 and we explicitly stated NO ONE VTL him until we get a claim. If someone does, then we have a confirmed, as he was going for the mislynch 

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Rational your basis for thinking Hammer is town is he didn't hammer you. Again, if he had done so it would have lead to his lynch. 

Note the previous post 

If someone does, then we have a confirmed, as he was going for the mislynch

As I said, someone who hammers in that situation and they're town is automatically suspect and usually lynched in consequence. Mafia don't trade themselves like that generally as 2 v 1 trades result in them losing assuming 1/3-1/4 ratio. 


7 v 2
5 v 1
3 v 0(town wins)
___________

I understand people who want to see his claim. But please reconsider on the TR. You are giving him credit for doing something that is what mafia would do almost every time given the consequences for acting in the manner you think he would have done if mafia(hammer you with the final vote.)

2:1 ratios such practices are beneficial I will admit. 2:1 is not standard here tho. 

5 v 2
3 v 1
(Mafia wins at 1 v 1 due to the 2 town deaths coming first)

Understanding you think 4 v 2 v 2 is possible. The lack of two deaths would indicate there not being two mafia though. But it's still highly unlikely. 

Either you are operating as if mafia benefit from 2v1 trades, which isn't true. Or you are giving Hammer credit being town for something a mafia would have reasonably done. 

That is unless you think he's done something else that is towny behavior, or i otherwise missed other reasons why Hammer is town? 

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Should I say, hammer with a final vote prematurely when a claim is being sought.(I may not care about his claim, everyone else does though.)
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Drafterman is the biggest hypocrite of this game and I shall wait in quiet until justice finds its way unto him.

He pressures without mercy but refuses to even claim his char let along hint at it. He needs to get pushed into a claim asap. He sheeped you on both bandwagons and you have the illusion that he's towny.