Bye Bye Bernie

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Your radical socialist ideas would tear the economy, destroy the middle class, and inevitably consume the country in more debt and lead us into a war by your spending on military cut in half, meaning us being more susceptible to growing countries like China. He ran a dangerous campaign, and it inevitably crumbled on him. I do think it's linked to Coronavirus. A lot of the youth social distanced instead of voted in the March 17th primary, where the careless elders went and voted for Biden. Bad timing for him, but I certainly don't think it would have changed anything. Bernie is a part of the elite class he hates. Bernie, in 40 years as Senator, has only authored 7 bills that have passed and signed. He is not the candidate to get the job done, yet people don't realize this. 

It's time for the Dems to unite under Biden now, or else their worse nightmare comes into true. Yet again, crazy millennial's won't vote for the old people, and will just stay home. I think Biden will pose better than Hillary in the election, especially seeing the backing that he has from minority groups from serving under the Obama regime and there is a possibility he may win the election, but at this point, I wouldn't count on it

Ohio and Florida are Trump
Michigan will go Biden
Wisconsin and Arizona
North Carolina goes Trump

That means Donald wins, even if Biden gets Penslyvania, which won't happen

Also a recent poll suggests that Biden is less capable to handle the Coronavirus than Trump according to a national poll. Assuming this is still an issue within the election campaign, then I think Biden loses some moxy here. Also let's not forget about Biden lack of cognition 

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He was a big candy-man. His campaign was mostly about promising free stuff like medicare for all, college tuition, and so on.
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The questions needed to be asked, where will he find the money and funds to do this?

The middle class
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inevitably consume the country in more debt

Right, as opposed to all those politicians that are doing everything they can to make the country in less debt.

Like, uh...

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Nevermind.
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Every president after Clinton has done it, but Bernie would exponentially increase it
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Every president after Clinton has done it, but Bernie would exponentially increase it
trump is running record deficits right now. He cut revenue and ramped up spending. It's funny how little Republicans care about fiscal responsibility once they get control of the purse strings. I'm sure they will all be crying about the deficit again once they are out of power though.
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When there is a worldwide pandemic the deficits are obviously gonna increase.

The Middle Class have been prospering. Small business owners were investing in the stock. The Dow Jones has rallied back to a lesser deficit. 

You are taking the bad from Corona and stereotyping it with a Trump campaign. He took advice from the WHO, who ultimately hid the cases in China to lessen the impact. When it spread, WHO was forced to take action, that's when crackdowns happen. Trump locked down China earlier than the other countries and if it were not for that, we would certainly have more cases.

Then again, Bernie bros aren't voting so who do I care? Trump will win 2020 
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When there is a worldwide pandemic the deficits are obviously gonna increase.
He's been  running record defects the whole time. It had nothing to do with pandemics. 

You are taking the bad from Corona and stereotyping it with a Trump campaign.
No, i'm describing things he has been doing from day one. You are pretending like he only started doing it yesterday. 

He took advice from the WHO, who ultimately hid the cases in China to lessen the impact. When it spread, WHO was forced to take action, that's when crackdowns happen. Trump locked down China earlier than the other countries and if it were not for that, we would certainly have more cases.
By the time he shut down travel to china, it was mostly irrelevant. The US already had tons of cases inside it's borders. At that point, it was already too late. They needed lockdowns to prevent the spread inside the country. And trump was still out telling people it was no big deal. And anyone who said otherwise was pushing "a hoax". Governors refused to shut down events like mardigras and spring break, in large part because trump was telling the country it wasn't something to worry about. As a result the virus spread at those events. 

Then again, Bernie bros aren't voting so who do I care? Trump will win 2020 
True. Biden is a terrible candidate who likely won't beat trump. 
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He's been  running record defects the whole time. It had nothing to do with pandemics. 
Trump hasn't even touched Obama's deficits. In a modern world, deficits will always go up especially with other countries gaining speed on our economy and military. If we cut the spending of military, China will take advantage and use their hegemonic power gained to cause disturbance in the South China Sea. They already are doing so. 
No, i'm describing things he has been doing from day one. You are pretending like he only started doing it yesterday. 
Yet the economy was growing strong to a record high. Unemployment decreased. People invested in stock. America was in a good position before Corona. America is dealing with a global pandemic. The economy is doing OK as of now growing. We will have a new boom, as people will go back to work
By the time he shut down travel to china, it was mostly irrelevant. The US already had tons of cases inside it's borders. At that point, it was already too late. They needed lockdowns to prevent the spread inside the country. And trump was still out telling people it was no big deal. And anyone who said otherwise was pushing "a hoax". Governors refused to shut down events like mardigras and spring break, in large part because trump was telling the country it wasn't something to worry about. As a result the virus spread at those events. 
Azar declared a public health emergency for the novel coronavirus on Jan. 31, and announced the travel restrictions to and from China, effective Feb. 2. On Feb. 29, Trump expanded those travel restrictions to Iran. Trump has repeatedly boasted that his decision to impose the travel restrictions was bold and worked. But his rhetoric has sometimes stretched the facts.
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Feb 2, 2020: 9 total cases of Coronavirus in USA https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-china-health-usa-california-idUKKBN1ZX01P

Shut down travel to China to this day. 
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I think the European closure was a bit delayed and think it could've been a bit earlier, but there is nothing you can do but stop the epicenter.
Italies surge happened on March 8: 
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/italy-covid-19-surge-triggers-massive-lockdown-us-cases-pass-500

500 cases in the US.

The minute this was labelled as a pandemic, the borders were shut and a travel ban was imposed. That's all you can do

To close down the country when the virus was not as huge is absurd.

The virus is extremely contagious and there is no way to pinpoint who got it. And most people are asymptomatic and have fought it already

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And most people are asymptomatic and have fought it already
It's probably a minority who are this, the majority haven't had it yet.


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Feb 2, 2020: 9 total cases of Coronavirus in USA https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-china-health-usa-california-idUKKBN1ZX01P

Shut down travel to China to this day. 

No, you are misunderstanding. There were 9 confirmed cases in the US. Trump had not tried to actually have tests available. So if you aren't testing almost anyone for COVID, then there are almost no cases confirmed. At that point, there were probably hundreds of cases in the US. But due to trump's incompetence, the testing was not being done to know that. 
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suggest that 80% of infections are mild or asymptomatic,

Among children in China, illness severity was lower with 94% having asymptomatic, mild or moderate disease,

it's a bit all over the place, one thing everyone should think about is the lack of tests, therefore you wouldn't test asymptomatic people because, why would you?
the stats are probably higher because of that reason.
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I don't know. I think the crazy flu season this year we had in America, I think 1/2 the cases were Covid-19. Someone I know who had the flu looked with a doctor and the doctor said 99% that it was Covid and not the flu. 
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Exactly. You can't just assume everyone has Covid and shut down the country with 9 confirmed cases
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It evolved in a village in China (or was designed if you're looking into conspiracy theories) no earlier than November and is said to only have been noticed in December. The flu you are referring to had different symptoms, Coronavirus is brutal, feels like glass is on the inside of the throat in the severe symptomatic cases, the flu doesn't feel that bad nor is it as brutally dry throughout the body and throat. Flu also is more mucus-producing, focusing on the entry to the lungs whereas Coronavirus attacks the WHOLE lung passageway through to the lung itself.
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True, but I am not talking about the serious cases

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I am clarifying that there is no way that the thing you are saying was spreading was coronavirus, given the symptoms in the most severe being so different.
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Probably, but it is a hypothetical. I doubt it too. Similar symptoms but drastic severity differences

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Exactly. You can't just assume everyone has Covid and shut down the country with 9 confirmed cases
you seem to be missing my point. By the time america had 9 confirmed cases, Trump had already colossally fucked it up. He had months where he was being warned this was coming and he did absolutely nothing about it. He continued doing almost nothing about it right up to the point where it couldn't possibly be denied any more. 

The reason there were 9 confirmed cases is because trump's administration didn't have the tests ready. So the dozens or perhaps hundreds of cases that america actually had went unconfirmed. Even though trump had way longer to prepare than places like south korea, he did much less to prepare. And even now, he is scheming to try to get businesses back open so he can stop losing money. He doesn't care how many people have to die to do it either. 
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I don't understand the "opening up" argument that Democrats make. I am sure you want the country to open up as soon as possible while still being safe so life can return to normal. So why do you think this is negative? I want the world to be open again. I don't want to be quarantined. Trump is enforcing the policies so that we can get back sooner, so we can find a vaccine/treatment sooner so things can open back up the world. If this goes into the summer, the economy is destroyed due to the tourism business declining. 
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By the time america had 9 confirmed cases, Trump had already colossally fucked it up. He had months where he was being warned this was coming and he did absolutely nothing about it. He continued doing almost nothing about it right up to the point where it couldn't possibly be denied any more. 
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Azar declared a public health emergency for the novel coronavirus on Jan. 31, and announced the travel restrictions to and from China, effective Feb. 2. On Feb. 29, Trump expanded those travel restrictions to Iran. Trump has repeatedly boasted that his decision to impose the travel restrictions was bold and worked. But his rhetoric has sometimes stretched the facts.
It took 3 days for him. He listened to the experts. Many places did not close down to China that quickly. China is the #2 country and to close off so soon is a huge risk for 9 CONFIRMED cases

Confirmation is what we need, not assumptions
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I don't understand the "opening up" argument that Democrats make. I am sure you want the country to open up as soon as possible while still being safe so life can return to normal. So why do you think this is negative?
Of course, everyone wants the country to re-open as soon as it is safe to do so. But the critical part of that is "as soon as it is safe to do so". Trump wants to do it as soon as he can politically get away with it no matter what reality or doctors have to say about it. He was pushing to have it re-opened by easter. He kept saying it until eventually someone managed to shut him up because that was incredibly stupid. 

Trump would let you, you family and friends die so he can re-open his gold club. 
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It took 3 days for him. He listened to the experts. Many places did not close down to China that quickly. China is the #2 country and to close off so soon is a huge risk for 9 CONFIRMED cases

Confirmation is what we need, not assumptions
again, you are willfully missing my point. I'm not talking about when he closed the border. I am saying he did nothing to prepare for this catastrophe before it was WAY too late. By the time the border was closed the disaster was already fully in progress. There were 9 confirmed cases, and since trump had put absolutely no effort into getting enough tests, no one was testing people much. So there could have been a million cases and there would be no way to test for it.

The time to prepare (roll out testing, get stockpiles of medical supplies etc) was before you need to start sealing the borders. Trump did nothing to prepare.