How young [or old] should a U.S. President be?

Author: fauxlaw

Posts

Total: 14
fauxlaw
fauxlaw's avatar
Debates: 77
Posts: 3,565
4
7
10
fauxlaw's avatar
fauxlaw
4
7
10
We have James Madison, who I revere more than just about any other founding father, to thank for establishing age as a qualifying factor for Congressional and presidential seats. The President was set at minimum 35, which, today, seems awfully young, and is. However, it was, coincidentally, Madison's age when he penned the Constitution. Illusions of grandeur? We'll never know, but a sobering thought: life expectancy in the late 18th century was just 37. our founding fathers gre to much older ages, even in their generation, because they were mostly affluent, well educated, and ate reasonable diets.

In this presidential season, to date, we have three old white guys in competition; an R, a D, and [really] an S. In that regard, In regard to age and relative health, I'm disappointed that Trump appears to favor McDs over a good, lean, healthy lamb crown roast and veggies. Oh well, I love to cook, so, sue me. Maybe I should apply for the WH chef position. 

Dr.Franklin
Dr.Franklin's avatar
Debates: 32
Posts: 10,673
4
7
11
Dr.Franklin's avatar
Dr.Franklin
4
7
11
I'm disappointed that Trump appears to favor McDs over a good, lean, healthy lamb crown roast and veggies.
TDS?
oromagi
oromagi's avatar
Debates: 117
Posts: 8,696
8
10
11
oromagi's avatar
oromagi
8
10
11
I think all three candidates are too old both in principle and in practice.  US Generals are required to retire at age 62 even though there aren't many physical requirements for modern generalship.  Why isn't the Commander in Chief held to the same standard?  The average age of US corporate CEOs is 58 while the average retirement age is 62.  Why are government executives and lawmakers a generation older than business leadership?  CEO makes a lot of sense to me as a model- the top job comes at the end of a career and most successful careers end around the mid-60's.

35 was not too young in 1800 when 35 was also the average life span but now that the average life span is 78, 35 is as much too young as 78 seems too old.

I'd raise the minimum to 45 and cap the max at 70 (to serve in office, not to run- a 68 year old candidate would be required to retire before the end of her term) with an optimally aged president targeted around 58, not 78.  When the average life span doubles again, we can revisit the limits.


fauxlaw
fauxlaw's avatar
Debates: 77
Posts: 3,565
4
7
10
fauxlaw's avatar
fauxlaw
4
7
10
-->
@Dr.Franklin
Nope, just a voter.
fauxlaw
fauxlaw's avatar
Debates: 77
Posts: 3,565
4
7
10
fauxlaw's avatar
fauxlaw
4
7
10
-->
@oromagi
Why isn't the Commander in Chief held to the same standard? 
Because the Constitution says otherwise by omission. 200 suggested amendments per 2-year congressional session, 116 sessions - you do the math. 27 amendments passed and ratified in 230 years. Not as easy as rolling on a log.
Imabench
Imabench's avatar
Debates: 6
Posts: 934
3
4
9
Imabench's avatar
Imabench
3
4
9
Ive always secretly wanted there to be some clause or condition in the Constitution that any president who is 70 or older should be limited to a single term should they win the nomination. Just as a precaution 
fauxlaw
fauxlaw's avatar
Debates: 77
Posts: 3,565
4
7
10
fauxlaw's avatar
fauxlaw
4
7
10
-->
@Imabench
And then, as we continue to increase the mean life expectancy, what then? Such limits ought to be tempered by individual cases., and, therefore, not made constitutional absolutes. For example, both Biden and Trump are in excess of 70 [78 and 73, respectively, I think]. However, I don't think it takes much reflection to observe that Trump, on any given day, appears more alert, on point, and certain of himself, than does Biden. In fact, a 70-year-old [happens to be my age] may demonstrate greater qualities of characteristics such as this subject of capability to manage a presidency, than some 50-year-olds. It's relative to the individual, isn't it?
bmdrocks21
bmdrocks21's avatar
Debates: 6
Posts: 2,798
4
6
11
bmdrocks21's avatar
bmdrocks21
4
6
11
-->
@oromagi
Sounds good on paper. But not every 78 year-old is equal. Some have dementia or are terminally ill. Others have tons of energy and are still sharp.

This is really something that should be determined on a person-by-person basis. I don't know how much good can come from limiting our pool of candidates. There has to be SOME reason we gravitate towards these older candidates. Likely that they have more life experience and name-recognition.
Imabench
Imabench's avatar
Debates: 6
Posts: 934
3
4
9
Imabench's avatar
Imabench
3
4
9
-->
@fauxlaw
I don't think it takes much reflection to observe that Trump, on any given day, appears more alert, on point, and certain of himself, than does Biden
Trump can barely make his way through an entire sentence without making Biden look like a MIT professor 

fauxlaw
fauxlaw's avatar
Debates: 77
Posts: 3,565
4
7
10
fauxlaw's avatar
fauxlaw
4
7
10
Trump can barely make his way through an entire sentence without making Biden look like a MIT professor 



Joe Biden, Professor, MIT, in still another gaffe on profession, 2/24/2020 at the "First in the South Dinner" “You’re the ones who sent Barack Obama the presidency. And I have a simple proposition here: I’m here to ask you for your help. Where I come from, you don’t go very far unless you ask. My name’s Joe Biden. I’m a Democratic candidate for the United States Senate,”
Alec
Alec's avatar
Debates: 42
Posts: 2,472
5
7
11
Alec's avatar
Alec
5
7
11
-->
@fauxlaw
No president should be over 80 at the time of their inauguration.  This is so politicians have to live with the decisions they make, therefore encouraging them to make good decisions.
fauxlaw
fauxlaw's avatar
Debates: 77
Posts: 3,565
4
7
10
fauxlaw's avatar
fauxlaw
4
7
10
-->
@Alec
Why not? What makes you think that an 80 year old cannot be as vital as 70, or 60? Not all, no. Biden is absurd at his age. Bernie is not, and he's older. Look, when James Madison established 35 as a minimum age to qualify running for president in the latter quarter of the 18th century, he happened to be 35. What do you think the average life expectancy was in the latter 18th century? 37. Think about that, and extrapolate what that means to the 21st century.
Alec
Alec's avatar
Debates: 42
Posts: 2,472
5
7
11
Alec's avatar
Alec
5
7
11
-->
@fauxlaw
I mean, if the candidate is 85 years old, he's not going to live much longer, so he won't have as much time to regret making bad decisions as he would be if he were like 60.  It also provides incentive to make good decisions.
fauxlaw
fauxlaw's avatar
Debates: 77
Posts: 3,565
4
7
10
fauxlaw's avatar
fauxlaw
4
7
10
-->
@Alec
You keep raising the age in your argument. Tell you what, if you don't want to vote for someone who is 102, don't. What else can I tell you?