Cap vs Comm Random thoughts

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Even a lot of hardcore anti-socialists have at some point uttered the phrase "well yeah sure communism looks great on paper buuut..."

I never really got that.

Even 'on paper' communism never really appealed to me.

"From each according to what he chooses to put in" sounds a lot less tyrannical than "From each everything he is able".
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Communism seems pretty appealing on paper. Everyone being equal sounds like something you'd want, no oppression, no bigotry. But it's actually pretty stupid.

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Communism seems pretty appealing on paper.

But it's actually pretty stupid.

See, most people agree with both of these statements. I disagree with the first one though. It is a subjective opinion though so I can't really prove it. Meh.
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When psychopathic billionaires choose to put in 0 and most of those, after 1 generation, never actually worked to earn that wealth, there's a serious fucking problem with your ethos.
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I understand your point. They both ought not to be as "appealing" because they are diametrically opposed arguments. One system (capitalism) facilitates negative rights (freedoms) while the other enforces positive rights (entitlements.) Communism to me as well has never been appealing even on paper. I've never conflated "inequality" with oppression, bigotry, prejudice, or unfairness.
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They both ought not to be as "appealing" because they are diametrically opposed arguments.

That is 100% not my point. I have no idea how you got that out of what I said.
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That is 100% not my point. I have no idea how you got that out of what I said.
Did you not put forth that even hardcore anti-socialists would agree that Communism "looks good on paper" while simultaneously arguing that it's "stupid"? Was this not made in the context of this thread's subject: "Cap [Capitalism] vs. Comm [Communism] Random Thoughts"? Where did I misinterpret you?

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Did you not put forth that even hardcore anti-socialists would agree that Communism "looks good on paper" while simultaneously arguing that it's "stupid"?

I might have misunderstood what you were saying. This quote:

I understand what you are saying. They ought not to be as "appealing" because they are diametrically opposed arguments.

Seems to imply that I find neither communism nor capitalism appealing [on paper] which is not the case.

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I've never conflated "inequality" with oppression, bigotry, prejudice, or unfairness.

Is something I do mostly agree with.
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I might have misunderstood what you were saying. This quote:

I understand what you are saying. They ought not to be as "appealing" because they are diametrically opposed arguments.

Seems to imply that I find neither communism nor capitalism appealing [on paper] which is not the case.

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I've never conflated "inequality" with oppression, bigotry, prejudice, or unfairness.

Is something I do mostly agree with.
I was suggesting that one ought not be as appealing as the other since they are diametrically opposed arguments. For the Capitalist or Antisocialist, as you pointed out, it doesn't quite register to argue that it looks good on paper--perhaps pointing out a practical discrepancy--while espousing Capitalist principles. In that case, they're neither capitalists, antisocialists, or even communists; they're "pragmatists."
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Mmm okay I get it.