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@Speedrace
How am I scum? 
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@WaterPhoenix
It was process of elimination
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@Speedrace
Your eliminations had like no explanation. 
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and doesn't singularity's profile literally say female
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@WaterPhoenix
Yes they did lol

Plus if there's scum between Lunatic and drafter, then you might not be scum
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@Speedrace
I'm town reading Bullish
that's one good frickin' explanation


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@WaterPhoenix
Thanks, it was peer reviewed
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@Lunatic
Thoughts on drafter and his very sudden change of heart about lynching inactives?

I wasn't trying to think about it, because it would require me to scroll that game to see the complete context, and I am a very busy lady.
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@Singularity
Here's the context.

In the most recent game, just before this one, the one that ended on christmas, Drafter made this post on the top of the page: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3432/jargom-dp3?page=4

He is now claiming as of DP3 that toaster, who made a total of 4 relatively non-contributing posts in DP1, that we are all idiots because toaster, an inactive, was obviously town. He also argued with me all of DP2 about whether we should lynch someone just for being inactive, when he himself so recently stated lynching inactives should be policy. The last game, greyparrot was inactive DP1, and used it as a brag in the endgame, which is what spurred the conversation about lynching inactive players.
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@Lunatic
Wow, that actually does look suspect. I am willing to help here, but would like to explore speed as a possibility as well. unvote VTL Drafter
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@Singularity
Speed has gotta be town though, the lack of a kill pretty much confirms his claim. I guess it could be a gambit where he forfeited the kill, but then I don't even know why he would have claimed dreamer. Also his character claim is pretty solid. 

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Drafterman [2/6] Lunatic, Singularity
Speedrace [1/6] oromagi
PF4R [1/6] Bullish


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46hrs or so remain

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@WaterPhoenix
1. Lunatic
2. PressF
3. Drafterman
4. WaterPhoenix
5. SpeedRace
6. Bullish 
7. iLikePie5 
8. Oromagi
9. Greyparrot
10. Singularity

I know I'm town, Pie is confirmed (?), Oro is confirmed

1. Lunatic
2. PressF
3. Drafterman
4. WaterPhoenix
6. Bullish
9. Greyparrot
10. Singularity

I'm town reading Bullish because his character is nontraditional and follows Pie's character's theme

1. Lunatic
2. PressF
3. Drafterman
4. WaterPhoenix
9. Greyparrot
10. Singularity

I am pretty convinced there is one scum between Singularity and Grey because there are too many power roles right now, and if Singularity doesn't die tomorrow I'm confident he's scum because there is literally no other logical target

Between Lunatic and Drafter, there's 0-1 scum because they are fighting too much (if y'all planned that as partners then you're genius), I'm betting 0 at the moment because this is the same behavior like from Office Mafia, besides I don't think either of them would be crazy enough to kill Virtuoso over a claimed JOAT(?), Dreamer, and cop

2. PressF
4. WaterPhoenix

If you agree with the steps taken above, that means both Press and Water are scum (only barring factor is if Pie is godfather or whatnot)

I don't think that Pie is godfather or whatnot however because his unique claim matches that of Bullish. If he IS, then I suppose Bullish, Oro, and Pie could all be Mafia...but I doubt it


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I'd be ok lynching Press for inactivity because this makes it likely that he'll be scum anyway
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I could probably settle for press if absolutely no one is willing to see drafter as the blaring scum that he is.
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@Lunatic
I can see why a dreamer would be targeted though over a cop if they have a lawyer/framer, because you don't just find one scum with that role, you confirm two townies.
Dreamer sees "at least" 1 scum, so it doesn't confirm 2 townies.

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@Bullish
Dreamers can also choose to dream of 1 townie
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@Lunatic
Tomorrow I think she [Singularity] will have to be the lynch though.
Now THAT is a mislynch setup. So if we lynch anyone other than Single today, scum gets a free mislynch tomorrow if Single is town? This is beyond WIFOM.

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@Bullish
You're right, they'll kill a random vanilla either way... maybe we just lynch him now
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@drafterman
So I'm scum because I defended him and I defended him because I'm scum, regardless of his affiliation. How circular.
drafter you completely lose your grasp on basic logic when you're mad. Take 2 seconds to think about why that isn't circular.

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It's because we know for a fact that YOU ACTUALLY DEFENDED IRON. "A therefore B, B therefore A" isn't circular reasoning if WE KNOW A TO BE TRUE.

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@Speedrace
I highly doubt character is related to vanilla or scum, I mean cartman is cop.



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@Lunatic
You guys realize that drafter literally made that post about always lynching inactives on christmas day? He was town in that game. That wasn't very long ago at all. less than two weeks. And he is already pretty much arguing the exact opposite of that post now, that inactivity is a weak thing to push for. What happened to the new policy of lynch all inactives?
I found the link:
This is a common refrain. An active town will eat itself in the presence of inactive scum. Inactives should always be pressured. The fault lies in Supas complete and utter overreaction as well as the veterans (myself included) that allowed ourselves to get distracted by it. I remember thinking Supa was town, but ultimately just got fed up with his behavior and actually forgot about my town read.
Lynch all inactives.
I'm not posting this as evidence drafter is scum, I'm just posting this to make him mad.
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@Bullish
Now THAT is a mislynch setup. So if we lynch anyone other than Single today, scum gets a free mislynch tomorrow if Single is town? This is beyond WIFOM.


How is that a mislynch set up? Do you know she is town?
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@WaterPhoenix
I highly doubt character is related to vanilla or scum, I mean cartman is cop.
Meant to say role

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@Lunatic
How is that a mislynch set up? Do you know she is town?
Anytime you declare "X will die" if "Mafia does X" you're giving more control to the mafia.

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@Vader
I do love how we're breaking trends and posting more in later DPs.
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@Bullish
i love it bc it makes this my most played mafia game. 


also valid point. ofc its my game to break trend
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Anytime you declare "X will die" if "Mafia does X" you're giving more control to the mafia.

We all know nothing is for sure. One day you can scum read someone, the next you may town them. Kinda like how you did that with drafter, based on almost nothing after gunning for him hard dp1 XD