So, this year, Israel has entirely banned its Christian population in Gaza from visiting the holy sites during Christmas.
Where's the Evangelical outrage? All I see are American "conservatives" licking the boots of Israel.
Israel bans Gaza's Christians from visiting Bethlehem and Jerusalem
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We need another crusade. Deus Vult!
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@triangle.128k
Why did Israel do it?
Does the reason matter to you?
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@bmdrocks21
We need another crusade. Deus Vult!
Lol. because the only possible actions we can take are unquestioning support of a tyrannical regime, or going on a crusade. There is no other options we could take such as reducing or suspending aid until they stop abusing their minorities.
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@HistoryBuff
It was a joke, lol.
I am in favor of ending foreign aid to Israel or at least severely cutting it.
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@ethang5
Why did Israel do it?Does the reason matter to you?
lol! outrage!
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@ethang5
There's literally no rational reason other than a lack of regard for Christians on behalf of the Zionist state. It doesn't matter how much Evangelical "conservatives" are brainwashed by Zionist propaganda to say otherwise.
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@triangle.128k
So triangle doesn't know. Does anyone?
And if you do, does the reason matter?
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@ethang5
The very general claim of "security concerns". Not sure if that is actually a concern for them, but whatever.
I'd say that, considering Israel exists mostly because of Christians protecting them and establishing the state, they shouldn't really do that.
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@bmdrocks21
Perhaps if they mentioned the details, some of their intelligence gathering would be compromised?The very general claim of "security concerns". Not sure if that is actually a concern for them, but whatever.
But they are the ones who have missiles raining down on them, and are surrounded by hostile countries, and have sleeper cells launching random knife attacks.... So sure, whatever.
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@ethang5
They are an ethnostate, so I wouldn't be surprised if they just wanted to keep Christians out and using this as a lame excuse.
Christians are the reason they are alive, and now they are keeping those people from visiting holy sites. How nice.
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@bmdrocks21
Israel doesn't have 1st world problems.
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@bmdrocks21
So you do not know the reason, and dismiss and disbelieve the reason they gave, but suspect that they just wanted to keep Christians out and are using this as a lame excuse.
You usually think much better than this.
If Israel has info that there will be an attack on Christian pilgrimage, or that Palestinians would use the approval for Christians to demand something that would be detrimental to Israel, they would be right to refuse permission.
They are an ethnostate,...
What does this mean?
Israelis are multi-ethnic. No ethnicity is refused citizenship. Israel is a Jewish state, Judaism is a religion.
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@ethang5
Their threat is from Muslims, not Christians.
So you're saying they are a theocracy since Judaism is a religion and Israel is a Jewish state?
I don't particularly like the country that purposely bombed an American ship, has us fight their wars, takes billions of dollars every year, and more.
Look up:
USS Liberty
Dancing Israelis
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@bmdrocks21
So you're saying they are a theocracy since Judaism is a religion and Israel is a Jewish state?
No. I'm saying your claim that they are an ethnostate is wrong, so I asked you what you meant by "ethno state".
America is a Christian country but not a theocracy.
I don't particularly like the country that purposely bombed an American ship,...
That bombing was years ago. Every country has bad in their past. How long will you hold a grudge?
Are you still angry at America for what it did to Native Americans? Or to the Japanese?
I know the history of Israel. And I know the contexts of those incidents.
...has us fight their wars, takes billions of dollars every year, and more.
I don't know what war America has ever fought for Israel, the 3 times Israel fought wars with its neighbors, it was only Israel fighting.
And I'm way more OK with the millions we give to Israel than the millions we've given to undemocratic, terrorist states like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Somalia.
I'm beginning to think your issue might be the Semitic part of the equation.
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@ethang5
I know the history of Israel. And I know the contexts of those incidents.
They were in the middle of a war and the US wasn't involved. They wanted to bomb our ship and blame it on another country to spark outrage and get our intervention.
I don't know what war America has ever fought for Israel
Under Saddam Hussein's rule, Israel regarded Iraq as a major security threat.
Israel knew Iraq had no WMDs. WMDs were a large factor of our involvement. Hmm....
And I'm way more OK with the millions we give to Israel than the millions we've given to undemocratic, terrorist states like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Somalia.
Actually, it is billions every year. How about we give aid to none of those instead?
I'm beginning to think your issue might be the Semitic part of the equation.
My problem is with Israelis, more specifically their leaders. Not Jews. But nice attempted slander.
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@bmdrocks21
I know. So they have done bad things. We have too. They were desperate. Let it go.They were in the middle of a war and the US wasn't involved. They wanted to bomb our ship and blame it on another country to spark outrage and get our intervention.
Under Saddam Hussein's rule, Israel regarded Iraq as a major security threat.
Iraq was not their war. You're reaching.
Actually, it is billions every year. How about we give aid to none of those instead?
I would not agree. Israel is a friendly nation who gives us valuable counter terrorist intelligence. We want to encourage democracy in that region.
I would be cool to not giving one red cent to any Muslim country though.
My problem is with Israelis, more specifically their leaders. Not Jews. But nice attempted slander.
Sorry. I did not intend to slander you, but your gripes seem trumped up. The anger at historical events, the lame "fought their wars" thin excuse, all point to more than just rational reasons. Your reasons seem more emotional.
What is an ethno state?
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@ethang5
And gave us great WMD intelligence as well....I would not agree. Israel is a friendly nation who gives us valuable counter terrorist intelligence
What is an ethno state?
Well, it is a nation reserved for those of a certain racial or ethnic group. They are beginning to experiment with some interesting DNA stuff.
Iraq was not their war. You're reaching.
No, I'm really not. Iraq posed a security threat to them. They lied about them having WMDs. We took out said security threat to them. They weren't a threat to us at all. Sounds like fighting their wars to me.
The anger at historical events
I am showing that from the 1960s even up until the 2000s, they have historically proven to be a terrible ally. We have complete evidence of that. They also spy heavily on American citizens. Not someone worthy of billions of dollars every year.
This is pretty stupid.
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@bmdrocks21
Then tell me, why has America continued to treat them as an ally through successive governments?We have complete evidence of that.
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@ethang5
Then tell me, why has America continued to treat them as an ally through successive governments?
Honestly that is beyond me.
During the Cold War, I could see why, but after that, it should have been over.
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@bmdrocks21
Which country do you consider to be a worthy ally of America now?
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@bmdrocks21
What is an ethno state?
Well, it is a nation reserved for those of a certain racial or ethnic group.
But this is not true of Israel. I know some black Ethiopians who became Israeli.
They are beginning to experiment with some interesting DNA stuff.
I'm too wise to take such weak bait. But I think I have you pegged now.
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@ethang5
Which country do you consider to be a worthy ally of America now?
Most of Europe. Japan. Brazil. A few others.
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@ethang5
They aren't currently an ethnostate. I didn't say it was a racial thing in Israel, either. Were they Ethiopian Jews?
I see you have ignored the whole "fighting their wars" argument. Do you concede?
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@ethang5
USA should absolutely divest Saudi Arabia before they divest Israel.
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@bmdrocks21
One in Asia, one in South America, and none in Africa. Hmmm.Most of Europe. Japan. Brazil. A few others.
I didn't say it was a racial thing in Israel, either.
Ethnicity is a racial thing.
Were they Ethiopian Jews?
By religion yes, but not by ethnicity.
I see you have ignored the whole "fighting their wars" argument. Do you concede?
No. It's just too ridiculous an argument to debate without insulting you. I rarely address arguments that are obviously silly because most Gentle Readers see the silliness without my comment.
I don't think you're being fully transparent about your position on Israel. But that is an avenue it is not profitable to go down.
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@Greyparrot
Absolutely. And if we did not give money to any Muslim state, there would be enough money for Israel and more left over for the wall.USA should absolutely divest Saudi Arabia before they divest Israel.
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@ethang5
One in Asia, one in South America, and none in Africa. Hmmm.
I am not saying that people in those countries are our enemies, just that they are mostly neutral. Except for maybe South Africa, and that is a big 'maybe', the rest are either openly hostile or don't really have any effect on us thus being neutrals.
Ethnicity is a racial thing.
eth·nic·i·ty
noun
- the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.
Nope.
By religion yes, but not by ethnicity.
I see. Are you saying that religion isn't part of their cultural tradition?
No. It's just too ridiculous an argument to debate without insulting you. I rarely address arguments that are obviously silly because most Gentle Readers see the silliness without my comment.I don't think you're being fully transparent about your position on Israel. But that is an avenue it is not profitable to go down.
They wanted Saddam Hussein gone. They lied about him having WMDs, which would make them a threat to us now. This false intelligence helped sway opinion to let us go to war. We took out Israel's enemy, bu they were in reality no threat to us. I don't know what more I need to say.
I'm being fully transparent. They are a bad ally and don't deserve billions of dollars. Let them provide for their own defense.
I don´t think the US should be funding Israel at all. Same with Saudi Arabia. We can get oil from Canada.