Brexit

Essentially, why should a large group of people that you didn't elect get to make so many changes in your life?

You had no consent over their election or appointment and they have very little accountability to you as a result.

The EU is an unelected body governing the UK. If UK wants democracy, they cannot remain under the control of Brussels.'

Just like the American People elected Jim Comey. What an authoritative tool.

You do realize 27 of the 28  of the total EU ministers were not selected by UK Parliament members, right?

And you do realize there are appointees somewhere in the middle of a 5-year term long after the PM was voted out of office, right?

It's a fucked up authoritative system totally unresponsive to the average UK citizen.

But dem socialists luv dem some good ole authoratee yeehaw

Well I like federalism, so that is mainly my issue. The fact is that, even if you elect officials, you will still be well outnumbered by other countries' officials.

It took power away from British citizens to determine their destiny.

 but god Labour's strategy was so bad.

So you also don't like the US senate system? Because they are pretty much the same thing. Each state gets 2 senators. In the EU each state gets 1 council member. It is the same concept. 

this is the same for any government. The US government takes freedom away from each and every state. But we all know that the states are stronger and better off together than as 50 independent countries. Similarly, the EU members are stronger and more prosperous together than if they were divided. There is always going to be a trade off. But they get way more than they give up. 

That's my point. I want the federal government to have very little power. I want most power to be at the state and local levels.

That depends. Some of the poorer countries benefit from the EU, while the richer ones don't. 

so a weak and ineffectual government that will allow life to be dominated by the rich..

so a weak and ineffectual government that will allow life to be dominated by the rich and powerful leaving the poor little more than peasants. I'll stick with a government that represents the will of the people. 

they all benefit. 

Lol, what you don't understand is that the will of the people is split. Has the government under Trump been representing your will? No. Did the Obama administration represent my will? No.

What does the EU do that couldn't be achieved by individual nations that wish to cooperate?

Bu you get to vote for that government. If the people don't like it they can vote in a new one. If you got what you wanted and seriously weakened the government, it would be billionaires and multi-national corporations that would fill the power vacuum. And you would have no say at all in how they used that power. I will take a government I get a vote for over an oligarchy. 

Lol that is exactly what the EU is. Individual nations that wish to cooperate. 

But why can't a Californian state government be as huge as they want and you can live there and be "protected from the oligarchy"?

Conservatives don't want your huge spending programs and tax hikes. Why should you force your will on us?

If you want the government taking care of you from cradle to grave, that is a perfectly fine position.

 I want to keep what I earn and make a living for myself with the government not limiting my freedom. 

And Britain is leaving because it isn't benefiting from the relationship.

Sure, they had the choice to join, but now they are realizing that the EU is able to force them to take actions that adversely affect their country. 

The EU is a cop out, easy answer to problems that would better be solved by individual pieces of legislation negotiated between countries.

They could, but at that point they may as well be their own country. Once you break down the federal government and make it useless, you essentially destroy america. You no longer have 1 country, you have 50 countries. 

If the majority of americans feel that way they are free to vote for that. However if they got their way and tore down the federal government, then no one would get to vote for anything any more. 

I'm glad you approve. The federal government exists to protect and provide services to it's people. 

You prefer to have unelected CEOs of multinational corporations limit your freedom. I know. As I said, that would be much, much worse. 

It is benefiting. However a prolonged propaganda campaign has convinced people otherwise.

I have yet to really hear of any examples of this though. The ones that typically get pointed to are UK laws, not EU laws. For example right wing idiots like to say that the EU banned using news papers to hold fish and chips. But that was the UK that did that because newspapers are full of poison. They also claimed the EU tried to ban a specific kind of potato chip, which was just a lie. 

The EU is exactly what you said would be a good thing, independent countries working together. It is a body that negotiates legislation between countries. You are describing the EU as something that would be better than the EU. it is kind of funny. 

After Britain leaves, won't all the other countries leave too?

Brexit might put more burden on them to keep supporting their policies, which might make it collapse(fingers crossed).

We were right wing from the beginning. Went super left from FDR to Johnson.

The right-wing is gaining a lot of ground in Europe because they realize that egalitarian bs doesn't work.

Without us providing for all of your favorite lefty countries' defense, they would be bankrupting themselves with their economically illiterate policies.