Virt's Mafia [Night 1]

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@oromagi
Oh well then nvm
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@WaterPhoenix
no i simply r/woooosh'd

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didn't read my poem :(
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@drafterman
There really isn't any behavior to go one. So at this point it's either going to be RL or NL at this point.

I thought this was ragnar at first (your pics are somewhat similar) and I was going to again consider giving him the benefit of the doubt as a noob, but it concerns me a bit that it was you. We're less than 24 hours into the DP and you're seeming relatively defeatist already. We have 48 hours to work with, and resigning to this way of thinking means that we absolutely won't get a good lynch because you don't want to try to get one.

What do you make of his discussion of simply lynching the last person to show?

Do you think Supa's defense of his scum play is alignment-indicative?
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wow, I just googled "impeachment" and the top result is an ad for Bloomberg.  How much does that cost I wonder?

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@Barney
On that note, since everyone is here, do you still want to lynch water since they were last to show? If so, why is that scummy?
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@warren42
Defeatist? How is lynching people defeatist? It's Town's primary tool to win the game and I'm suggesting we use it.

I think it should be random, not just the last person that shows.
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@drafterman
Why isn’t last to show sufficiently random?
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@warren42
do you still want to lynch water since they were last to show? 
Not overly, but it's a pretty fair random standard if Siri's demand for blood is to be obeyed. Hence, I've voted for Discipulus instead, the only person here who is confirmed to not be town. Plus we can watch everyone eat, and those who hesitate (or commit some other dining taboo), we know are not one of us.


If so, why is that scummy?
I don't know if doing a day one lynch is scummy or not. Since it takes 6 of us to agree, and the mafia team only has 2, I don't think it can be conclusive.
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@Lunatic
If you were the vig, would you forfeit your kill NP1?

Thoughts on Ragnar wanting to sincerely lynch the person who posts lasts?
1) Depends. If I feel strongly like 75% that person is scum, I’d shoot

2) Think he’s just a noob lol
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@warren42
Yeah I think Lunatic was getting paranoid or something. I dunno.

Abnormal of him don’t ya think?
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@oromagi
We've had this discussion before. You admit that activity isn't an indication of alignment or good basis for a Lynch but choose to do it anyway.
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@drafterman
All true but now you are advocating random lynch, right?  I guess I’m asking whether you see random lynch as superior to a non-indicative policy lynch. 
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Dude, guys. I was at school

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@Vader
sure
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@warren42
What do you think about Ragnar's plan to lynch the last person to log on? I'm inclined to give him a pass since he's noob-ish but think it's kinda scummy.
Thing is that Ragnar was more than competent in the game I did. Seriously, he did AMAZING. This seems very scummy to me

Also, I'm going to go ahead and claim vig

I'll probably NK Ragnar if he isn't lynched
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VTL Ragnar
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@drafterman
Yes, defeatist, as you're suggesting a random lynch. What information does that get us?



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@Speedrace
Thing is that Ragnar was more than competent in the game I did. Seriously, he did AMAZING.
Thank you!


This seems very scummy to me
Fair enough. For future reference, do you have a better method for determining first day lynch, or do you generally suggest no lynch?


I'm going to go ahead and claim vig
So many possibilities on this claim go through my head. While it could be a fake claim to lure out the real vigilante, with only two mafia that would seem like a needless waste... It could be a lying townie trying to draw heat, but that would be almost strictly harmful to the town... Overall I'll take you at your word; as much as I would have preferred the mafia not knowing the identify of the only power role.


I'll probably NK Ragnar if he isn't lynched
Fair enough. Now that you've outed yourself as vig, you will need to do a kill to confirm it; and in an otherwise all vanilla game, I am as good as any.
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@Barney
Fair enough. For future reference, do you have a better method for determining first day lynch, or do you generally suggest no lynch?
Random is fine by me. However, lynching the last person is not random. People such as myself, yourself, Lunatic, and some others are much more likely to be online when a DP goes up than someone like Water. That skews the supposed randomness of the method. 
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@Barney
I'm not saying it's scummy to lynch D1, I'm asking why you think being the last to show is scummy
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@Speedrace
Why are you claiming vig?
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@Speedrace
 For future reference, do you have a better method for determining first day lynch, or do you generally suggest no lynch?
Random is fine by me. However, lynching the last person is not random. 
Do you have a better method?

Admittedly, the number of no shows last game is a big factor in why I suggested it (someone being last, implies they might not show up at all).
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@warren42
You haven't explained how it's "defeatist."

And the purpose isn't to gain information, it's to reduce the pool of scum candidates.

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@warren42
I'm asking why you think being the last to show is scummy
It's not actually scummy, it's more about trimming dead weight. Plus even odds with anyone else of them being mafia.

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@Speedrace
Did u really claim the only power role in the game Speedrace. Fam....
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@Barney
Do you have a better method?

Admittedly, the number of no shows last game is a big factor in why I suggested it (someone being last, implies they might not show up at all).

Like I said, Random

TRUE random
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VTL Speed

Speed is smart man. There is NO WAY in hell that any scum partner would let him get away with that if he was a noob. Speed can't be that idiotic and claim only town power role on the FIRST DP!

My guess this is a noob and pro team, meaning that Speedrace and Ragnar could easily be on a team. 
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1. Town confirming unless Mafia wants to CC
2. To discuss my NK
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unless he is a noob, typo error