Virt's Mafia [Night 1]

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@Speedrace
Stop with the gas-lighting. You got caught lying. Calling people "manipulative" for for having not said what you want them to have said, is insanity.

That I support one of his plans for killing me but not the other, does not deny the existence of other plans.
This whole thing also seems uncharacteristic of Ragnar to me - he's never stricken me as particularly conflictive
People lying about the written word, when it's such verifiably BS, is a huge pet peeve of mine, for which I do confront them. To use an extreme made up example, were I to claim that you said in message #39 "I'm Speedrace and I'm mafia, har har har, I'm a..." I would say the cornerstone of you having not said that, would be proof that I'm lying (as opposed to that you're being manipulative and playing semantics). When people pull that type of thing on me (even at a much smaller scale), I call them out.

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There was a loser back on DDO (who shall not be named), who developed an obsession with me, and kept lying about what I said because I wouldn't trade votes with him. He once broke down complaining about how unfair "objective reality" is for me to have not said those things. Key thing with me quoting him there, I did not quote his tears, I quoted a phrasing highlight which he actually said.

There's a user here who has been harassing our chief moderator (casting votebombs and more), who claims a bunch of debate comments (which don't exist, never existed, etc) which only he can see, prove the evil liberal conspiracy to oppress conservatives and something about Supa being a young white male... On a recently deleted debate, I was livid, and made a complete fool out of him and his non-demonstrated reading ability.
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@Speedrace
I would rather shoot Pie. I'd rather get my strongest read out of the way

Lmao what’s the reason? His statements were contradictory. First he supports Ragnar, then he says no
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Ragnar (3/6): speed, warren, lunatic <-- L3
pie (2/6): oro, supa <-- L4
Disc (1/6): Ragnar 
Press (1/6) pie




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Unvote, vtnl.
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@David
Unless I'm mistaken, Drafter has also voted Pie as our offering to Siri.

Unvote,
VTL Pie
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@ILikePie5
In one post, he said we should lynch
In the other, he asked for the merits of random lynching (NOT the same as just lynching)
How is that a contradiction?
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pie (4/6): oro, supa, drafter, ragnar <-- L2
Ragnar (2/6): speed, warren <-- L4
Disc (1/6): Ragnar 
Press (1/6) pie

No lynch (1/6): lunatic 

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Also please post reads as soon as possible because you're usually right
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@David
I like the way you do vote counts, I'll steal that

Glad to see you're not -- ---- and safe
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@Barney
If Speed is really the vig, let him kill me tonight as he is planning (which avoids him being mislynched tomorrow).
it wasn't his "original plan" it was his back up plan. I get you are just defending yourself but that is dishonest to frame it that way.
When did I call killing me tonight his "original plan" as you have quoted me?

You're a good debater, lying about direct quotations is beneath you.
"If Speed is really the vig, let him kill me tonight as he is planning " 
Please tell me in what world it's unreasonable to go from "is planning" to "original plan"? Because it's not. Besides that, what would Lunatic gain from purposefully manipulating this? If you really believe you was, you should be VTLing him because he would only do that as Mafia...but you're not

Also, if this is really the case, just say "Oh, I meant X, not Y"

Arguments like this are what started the great war of Lunatic and Drafter, and is a major factor in why I won Office Mafia

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@everyone
Two quick things...

First: Virt is going to be busy tomorrow. So IMO out of respect for him, we should probably end this day phase tonight or early morning at the latest.

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pie (4/6): oro, supa, drafter, Ragnar <-- L2
Ragnar (2/6): speed, warren <-- L4
Disc (1/6): Ragnar 
Press (1/6) pie

No lynch (1/6): lunatic 
We might be able to get two offerings to Siri, as I think killing Disc is just a free extra action, on top of lynching or not lynching anyone else.
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Thank you. Ugh, I hate manual vote counts.

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pie (4/6): oro, supa, drafter, ragnar <-- L2
Ragnar (2/6): speed, warren <-- L4
Press (1/6) pie

No lynch (1/6): lunatic 

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Perhaps Mike can find a way to do an automatic vote counter like mafiauniverse has
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@ILikePie5
Well I guess we should lunch Water because he hasn’t gotten a chance to be online during this game. 

This and post 84 seem like a half a** attempt to lynch Water.
Post 84 was a response to Ragnar, when he asked what the pros and cons of lynching and no-lynching were. The post you are quoting:

Well I guess we should lunch Water because he hasn’t gotten a chance to be online during this game. 
This was in response to the "lynch the last person online" approach that Ragnar was suggesting. The purpose of the post is to point out the obvious flaw of that approach (that is, Water was offline/in school = Lynch Water). 
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@ILikePie5
What are the benefits of random lynching?

If we lynch randomly, then the odds of hitting scum will be (at most) 40%.

Doesn't seem like a good strategy at all from an analytical perspective. 

Can you explain why we should random lynch?

This directly goes against what Press said in Post 84
Post 84 was in response to Ragnar's post, where he asked for the pros and cons of lynching DP1. This post is my personal take on random lynching, and why I believe it's a bad strategy.

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come on discord hoe
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VTL PIE
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@David
New rule..if you vote or unvote you have to tag Virt.
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@ILikePie5
The more I think about it, the more it looks like you trying to weave an argument out of nothing. 



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pie (4/6): oro, supa, drafter, ragnar, grey <-- L1
Ragnar (2/6): speed, warren <-- L4
Press (1/6) pie

No lynch (1/6): lunatic 

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@Speedrace
In any world where words and their meaning matter, embellishing extra ones inside quotations which change said meaning is lying. And no, I don't think there is a master plan behind every lie. However, someone lies about me to my face when it's easily verifiable falsehoods, I'll call them out.
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@David
New rule..if you vote or unvote you have to tag Virt.
I suggested this earlier. Glad to see someone else agrees...


Virt,
What's your opinion on being tagged in the posts you'll actually need to deal with?
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@Barney
New rule..if you vote or unvote you have to tag Virt.
I suggested this earlier. Glad to see someone else agrees...


Virt,
What's your opinion on being tagged in the posts you'll actually need to deal with?

I would appreciate it very much. 
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@Barney
That's your mistake, ironically: he was MISTAKEN, not lying

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@Speedrace
I won't insult his mental faculties by agreeing he genuinely thought those words were there.
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I'll hammer. Vtl pie

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@Barney
He never said he did?
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I really hope he's scum
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Pie was lynched! He was innocent! Please get your night actions to me as soon as possible. 

Note: Day will probably start Sunday night when I get home from DC.