If you could only pick from one of the bottom tier candidates.....

Author: Imabench

Posts

Total: 23
Topic's author
#1
Imabench
Imabench's avatar
Debates: 6
Posts: 934
3
4
9
Imabench's avatar
Imabench
3
4
9
Donald Trump, Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, and Bernie Sanders all get on a plane together

Due to a maintenance hiccup, both engines and wings fall off the plane and it crashes into the side of a mountain, killing everyone on board. 

If you had to support a candidate from the remaining candidates running for President, who do you pick and why?

DEMS:

Pete Buttigieg
Kamala Harris
Andrew Yang
Amy Klobuchar
Corey Booker
Tulsi Gabbard
Bob Steyer
Julian Castro
(All other Dem nominees still in the race at this point are irrelevant)

REPS:

Mark Sanford
William Weld
Joe Walsh
Mike Pence (Assumed to be running since as VP he is now President) 
#2
HistoryBuff
HistoryBuff's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,222
3
3
3
HistoryBuff's avatar
HistoryBuff
3
3
3
-->
@Imabench
That is a tough one. Yang maybe. Tulsi might be a possibility. I don't really know all that much about castro. 

I don't see any of others as even possibly acceptable. 
#3
bmdrocks21
bmdrocks21's avatar
Debates: 6
Posts: 2,798
4
6
11
bmdrocks21's avatar
bmdrocks21
4
6
11
-->
@Imabench
I will look into the Republicans later. Haven't heard much about them yet.

For the Democrats, probably Tulsi.

She has really good foreign policy. I want our troops home.

She respects our 2nd Amendment. Not to the extent I do, but she is pretty good as far as Democrats go.

She likes Medicare Choice rather than just a government-run plan. I have much different plans on how I would do it, but no Dems are close to that. Of the choices, her plan would likely have the best outcomes because we desperately need reform.

She wants to stop criminalizing drug use while still punishing drug dealers. I could see myself supporting that. Although hopefully this won't empower gangs by creating more demand through legalization. I do see drug use as more of a health issue than a criminal one, and she agrees.
#4
PaulVerliane
PaulVerliane's avatar
Debates: 26
Posts: 152
0
2
7
PaulVerliane's avatar
PaulVerliane
0
2
7
i vote but boy he has a cute wife
#5
Dr.Franklin
Dr.Franklin's avatar
Debates: 32
Posts: 10,673
4
7
11
Dr.Franklin's avatar
Dr.Franklin
4
7
11
Pence should be president in the first place instead of weak Trump, the middle east isnt NY
#6
Dr.Franklin
Dr.Franklin's avatar
Debates: 32
Posts: 10,673
4
7
11
Dr.Franklin's avatar
Dr.Franklin
4
7
11
Trump logic:I dont like NY, i will leave to Florida, so i dont like syria, i will move out

THE MIDDLE EAST ISNT MOVING MANSIONS HERE TRUMPO BUMBO
#7
bmdrocks21
bmdrocks21's avatar
Debates: 6
Posts: 2,798
4
6
11
bmdrocks21's avatar
bmdrocks21
4
6
11
-->
@Dr.Franklin
And what good is there to staying in the Middle East? Outside of having a concrete deal saying the Turks won't kill the Kurds, I would have done nothing different. Trump should take most troops out of the Middle East. From what I have heard, he just moved them from northern Syria to Iraq and sent troops to Saudi Arabia.

I saw a great comment relating to the regime change wars that went something like this: War hawks are just like socialists, they all say 'it'll be different this time'.


#8
Dr.Franklin
Dr.Franklin's avatar
Debates: 32
Posts: 10,673
4
7
11
Dr.Franklin's avatar
Dr.Franklin
4
7
11
And what good is there to staying in the Middle East? Outside of having a concrete deal saying the Turks won't kill the Kurds, I would have done nothing different. Trump should take most troops out of the Middle East. From what I have heard, he just moved them from northern Syria to Iraq and sent troops to Saudi Arabia.
I
We don't need more troops in Saudi Arabia, we are already allies. PEOPLE FOUGHT FOR THat new region and not it's lost forever. 


I saw a great comment relating to the regime change wars that went something like this: War hawks are just like socialists, they all say 'it'll be different this time'.
Example? Our operations in Syria have been a great success
#9
Dr.Franklin
Dr.Franklin's avatar
Debates: 32
Posts: 10,673
4
7
11
Dr.Franklin's avatar
Dr.Franklin
4
7
11
-->
@bmdrocks21
above
#10
bmdrocks21
bmdrocks21's avatar
Debates: 6
Posts: 2,798
4
6
11
bmdrocks21's avatar
bmdrocks21
4
6
11
-->
@Dr.Franklin
We had a little bit of fighting. I'd rather take that as a sunk cost than spend more than 15 years over there like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Example of what? If we stay there, it will end up like the other little experiments we had in the Middle East. Libya is doing great with their slave trade. Good thing we got rid of Gaddafi, right?
#11
Dr.Franklin
Dr.Franklin's avatar
Debates: 32
Posts: 10,673
4
7
11
Dr.Franklin's avatar
Dr.Franklin
4
7
11

Example of what? If we stay there, it will end up like the other little experiments we had in the Middle East. Libya is doing great with their slave trade. Good thing we got rid of Gaddafi, right?

Thats different, we have a compromise in Syria set if we stay
#12
Dr.Franklin
Dr.Franklin's avatar
Debates: 32
Posts: 10,673
4
7
11
Dr.Franklin's avatar
Dr.Franklin
4
7
11
-->
@bmdrocks21
above
#13
bmdrocks21
bmdrocks21's avatar
Debates: 6
Posts: 2,798
4
6
11
bmdrocks21's avatar
bmdrocks21
4
6
11
-->
@Dr.Franklin
"It'll be different this time".

Let us not waste money and lives on people who hate us.
#14
Dr.Franklin
Dr.Franklin's avatar
Debates: 32
Posts: 10,673
4
7
11
Dr.Franklin's avatar
Dr.Franklin
4
7
11
-->
@bmdrocks21
Let us not waste money and lives on people who hate us.

Libya didnt have foreign powers in the cou ntry
#15
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 25,898
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@Imabench
Tulsi, period.

Military-Industrial Complex is a large part of the reason we have a crony entrenched unelected Deep State in D.C, which is also why she can't be allowed to win.

6 ways to Sunday Schumer Style.
#16
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 25,898
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@Imabench
Basically, I am for the candidate the CIA and Hillary hates the most.
#17
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
I would vote Kamala Harris.
#18
bmdrocks21
bmdrocks21's avatar
Debates: 6
Posts: 2,798
4
6
11
bmdrocks21's avatar
bmdrocks21
4
6
11
-->
@Dr.Franklin
We still intervened in the regime change. We told him to give up his weapons. He did. Then we let him get sodomized by a bayonet, and now they have an open-air slave trade where they castrate Africans. Good job us! No wonder no one over there trusts us.
Topic's author
#19
Imabench
Imabench's avatar
Debates: 6
Posts: 934
3
4
9
Imabench's avatar
Imabench
3
4
9
-->
@bmdrocks21
in fairness Libya was fucked no matter what could have been done to try to stabilize things..... The Arab Spring movement took down so many North African despots who had held power for upwards of 40 years that a few countries were going to be overlooked as other nations got attention. Egypt and Iraq I think were the big winners of international attention during the thick of it since Egypt had substantial power compared to all the other nations that were severely impacted, while Iraq's instability from the movements helped lead to the rise of ISIS.

Libya automatically got bumped down into at least third place as a result, which is just below the threshold of what the media largely considers important enough to report on a repeated basis and keep the public informed. 
#20
bmdrocks21
bmdrocks21's avatar
Debates: 6
Posts: 2,798
4
6
11
bmdrocks21's avatar
bmdrocks21
4
6
11
-->
@Imabench
Who knows, maybe dethroning him was inevitable. I think that taking a lot of his weapons away certainly aided and hastened it.

I don't know if we sold him weapons or anything, but I would have been in favor of similar types of passive support.
Topic's author
#21
Imabench
Imabench's avatar
Debates: 6
Posts: 934
3
4
9
Imabench's avatar
Imabench
3
4
9
-->
@bmdrocks21
I think the furthest we went was enforcing a no-fly zone over the whole country, which did kinda fuck over Ghaddafi since a lot of Libya is open desert and a functioning air force would have MASSIVELY tipped the scales in his favor 
#22
bmdrocks21
bmdrocks21's avatar
Debates: 6
Posts: 2,798
4
6
11
bmdrocks21's avatar
bmdrocks21
4
6
11
-->
@Imabench
To be fair, I have a huge hindsight bias on this. I was too young to know about geopolitics when this was going on, and have recently heard about the effects of the regime change. I know he was a dictator and everything, so I'm not trying to paint him as a hero or anything.

Did that even seem like a good idea at the time?
Topic's author
#23
Imabench
Imabench's avatar
Debates: 6
Posts: 934
3
4
9
Imabench's avatar
Imabench
3
4
9
-->
@bmdrocks21
Gaddafi was hardly the worst dictator in Africa and actually leaned pro-privatization of many industries after swinging hard socialist earlier in the 70's, but at the same time he absolutely was a dictator and had questionable ties to terrorist cells. (For example, the two men responsible for the bombing of Pan Am flight 103 were from Libya, and Gaddafi refused to hand them over). At many points the US both liked and disliked Gaddafi, the Russians liked and disliked him, and many Arab/Islamist groups liked and disliked him.... He was all over the place and never clearly someone to rely on to do the right thing, but would get it right every now and then. 

Whats interesting to note is that a large chunk of Europe gets its oil from Libya. After Russia and Norway, Libya was the third biggest exporter of oil to Euro nations. It is very possible to assume that European nations supported anti-Gaddafi troops because they thought they could sweep in and prop up their own pro-European government in the country to try to wean themselves off of energy dependence to Russia. The Arab Spring was doing the hard work in actually removing Gaddafi from power by force, which made the prospect of intervening that much more interesting. 

Had we known what would have eventually happened to Libya in the years following his death though, I think some Euro countries would definitely have preferred to have left Gaddafi in power and try to appeal to candidates who could be his successor rather then let it become the lawless shitfest it is today