My PM has absolutely no justification linking character and role. Pushing for justification is mildly scummy in this setup.
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Greyparrot answering a or b isnt gonna get you mod killed. You know this and are being ridiculous.
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@drafterman
Gp said he did have role justification or indicated he did so thats why I'm clarifiying
Doesn’t everyone get a justification. The only one I didn’t remember one for was in ur game
referring to Lunatic game
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@SirAnonymous
OK I am going birthday partying. If u r lucky perhaps I'll drunkpost later.So if you change your vtl for no reason, should we not count your vote? ;)
drunkvotes count double
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@Vader
my bday was last week: Ramen hot pots & sushi & Guiness & Bushmills
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@PressF4Respect
I am Dwight Schrute. Cop.
ugh
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@oromagi
?I am Dwight Schrute. Cop.ugh
TOWN
6. Oromagi
4. PressF Dwight Shrute COP
8. Greyparrot Jim Halpert VANILLA
12. A-R-O-S-E Ryan Howard
11. Airmax1227 Toby Flenderson
7. Lunatic
9. Speedrace
3. drafterman
5. Supa
2. iLikePie5
10. WaterPhoenix
13. Wylted
1. SirAnonymous A.J. VANILLA
SCUM
COUNT
Sir - 2/7 - Supa, Oro, A-R-O-S-E
Supa - 1/7 - grey
A-R-O-S-E, 1/7 Wylted
- AJ claim still looks like overcautions fake claim
- All players have checked in- that great for a 13p game on DART.
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@PressF4Respect
I am Dwight Schrute. Cop.ugh?
when u get nk'd NP1 your question will be answered
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@oromagi
when u get nk'd NP1 your question will be answered
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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@oromagi
Read post #182
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@oromagi
drunkvotes count double
Makes sense.
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@Wylted
Just on page 2 VTL AROSE
Why are you vtl'ing Arose? This seems very random and not very pro-town.
My role makes me believe that Press is lying...although that should be obvious. I say pressure Press to reveal his true claim.
VTL Press
Also sorry about not posting reads I was talking to a friend and forgot lol
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@oromagi
He is so obviously PGO
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@Lunatic
I know, but
1. Lynch all liars
2. Not an excuse to fake claim
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@Speedrace
Not a fan of lynch all liars. If happily do a mafia theory debate with you about it sometime. But town do lie and sometimes there is good reason to lie if its done wisely. Even if it isnt done wisely if you suspect a lying person of being town using a mislynch on them to teach them a lesson most likely isnt going to work and it is 100% goimg to hurt town.
I'd*
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@Lunatic
That's the problem, when town lies, mafia gets to hide and it unnecessarily distracts. Lynch all liars discourages that so when someone DOES lie, it's more likely mafia and then they die as a result. It's frustrating to deal with two verified groups of liars
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@Lunatic
It isn't about punishing people you think are Town for lying. It's about the fact that the only people that have to lie are the Mafia and if we allow lying to be acceptable we lose a valuable tool for finding and lynching them.
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@Lunatic
Just look at the mafia games where Supa did crazy gambits even though he was town. He ended up hurting the town in the end by lying and distracting everyone from the real mafia.
That's the problem, when town lies, mafia gets to hide and it unnecessarily distracts.
Not necessarily. I've been playing mafia for years and have seen some town gambits work out. Even AROSE did it in dark crystal and ended up netting a positive result from it (though it could have backfired). Not all town lies are inherently detrimental, just the ones that aren't well thought out (Like supa lying in the final day phase to get GP lynched).
Lynch all liars discourages that so when someone DOES lie, it's more likely mafia and then they die as a result. It's frustrating to deal with two verified groups of liars
I don't find it all that frustrating. Policy mindsets I feel are detrimental to a good town play, FourTrouble was pretty against them too. Here's the thing, people are gonna do what they are gonna do regardless of how frustrating their play is, and then they will just keep signing up for games. You aren't going to teach them a lesson they aren't willing to learn. Look at Greyparrot for example. Dude's been playing for years, and his playstyle seems to have barely changed. He's a lazy player. I've seen him in old games let himself get lynched over being too stubborn to claim or put more than a hairs worth of effort in. He still plays that way after being lynched multiple times for it. He won't answer a basic question about his role justification out of pride in this game. In dark crystal mafia when speedrace said "whoever types the better argument will live" GP basically said "nah, I don't care that much". He was willing to throw the game for the mafia in order to play however the hell he wants to. Supadudz is another one I've heard keeps making rash decisions and being unwilling to learn from mistakes, though I've only observed this in two games so far, I've seen comments from drafter indicating it's been a problem in the past. So no, we aren't going to teach anyone any lessons by policy lynching them that they aren't going to learn themselves.
More so, the idea that their is fundamentally no reason to lie as town I think is wrong. If I was a town power role and forced to claim in DP1, I might be compelled to lie until I had better results from my night actions. If you have many examples of games where policy lynching has consistently worked for town, let me know. Specifically in the case of PressF for respect, I find it interesting that you would be willing to lynch him. He's obviously got a ploy going on, and its pretty obvious he probably isn't the town cop. If that doesn't pay off in the coming day phases, that will look really bad for him. What scum motivation does he have to do what he's doing? Why not let it play out and if there's no answer for it later on, he's shot himself in the foot?
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@drafterman
Is there not more than one tool for finding scum?It isn't about punishing people you think are Town for lying. It's about the fact that the only people that have to lie are the Mafia and if we allow lying to be acceptable we lose a valuable tool for finding and lynching them.
Do you think we should policy lynch Press if he is lying or are you merely defending the idea of policy lynches unrelated?
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@SirAnonymous
I know this, supadudz is very young and rash. He is an example of where you would lynch a liar. If you are going to lie as town, you have to do it wisely, and it should be rarely used at all by town. Supadudz hasn't displayed the best judgement in lying which is what results in him getting lynched so often.Just look at the mafia games where Supa did crazy gambits even though he was town. He ended up hurting the town in the end by lying and distracting everyone from the real mafia.
PressF's situation seems different. Plus we don't necessarily know he is lying yet, but it seems pretty obvious if he is, that there is a plan to it. If it doesn't pan out it will backfire on him if he's scum.
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@drafterman
@Vader
@SirAnonymous
It isn't about punishing people you think are Town for lying. It's about the fact that the only people that have to lie are the Mafia and if we allow lying to be acceptable we lose a valuable tool for finding and lynching them.
+1
Just look at the mafia games where Supa did crazy gambits even though he was town. He ended up hurting the town in the end by lying and distracting everyone from the real mafia.
+1
He is so obviously PGO
+1
Or a bomb...
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@Speedrace
Yea. I don't get why he is hiding it. You should straight up say it so that a cop or doctor doesn't get shot