Contradictions in the Bible thread!!

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I started this thread to keep other threads from being derailed with distractions.

Lol. Good job Skep. All the "distractions" came to this thread.

83 days later, how many contradictions in the bible have been listed here so far?

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Contradictions would either prove poor authorship or exemplify the disjointed nature of the bibles compilation.

That is to say, human fallibility.

Which to be fair was only to be expected in a relatively dissociate society.

Not, that by justifying contradiction one can validate content.

For me the bible is still mythology.

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For me the bible is still mythology.

And for some, the moon landings are mythology. I care for facts, not opinions.

83 days later, how many contradictions in the bible have been listed here so far?

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83 days later, how many contradictions in the bible have been listed here so far?

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Jesus' lineage was traced through David's son Solomon. Mt.1:6.

Jesus' lineage was traced through David's son Nathan. Lk.3:31.

The announcement of the special birth came before conception. Lk.1:26-31.
The announcement of the special birth came after conception. Mt.1:18-21.
Jesus' parents were told of their son's future greatness. Mt.1:18-21; Lk.1:28-35.
Jesus' parents knew nothing of their son's potential. Lk.2:48-50.
The angel told Joseph. Mt.1:20.
The angel told Mary. Lk.1:28.
There were 28 generations from David to Jesus. Mt.1:17.
There were 43 generations from David to Jesus. Lk.3:23-31.
Jacob was Joseph's father. Mt.1:16.
Heli was Joseph's father. Lk.3:23.
He was to be called Emmanuel. Mt.1:23.
He was called Jesus. Mt.1:25.
Joseph, Mary, and Jesus flee to Egypt while Herod slaughters all males under 2 years old. Mt.2:13-16. (Note: Jesus' cousin, John, was also under 2 and survived without having to flee.)
Joseph, Mary, and Jesus did not flee to Egypt, but remained for temple rituals. No slaughter of infants is mentioned! Lk.2:21-39.
Jesus was tempted during the 40 days in the wilderness. Mk.1:13.
Jesus was tempted after the 40 days in the wilderness. Mt.4:2,3.
The devil first took Jesus to the pinnacle, then to the mountain top. Mt.4:5-8.
The devil first took Jesus to the mountain top, then to the pinnacle. Lk.4:5-9.
Satan tempted Jesus. Mt.4:1-10; Mk.1:13; Lk.4:1,2.
Satan had no interest in Jesus. Jn.14:30.
The baptism of Jesus was with the "Holy Ghost". Mk.1:8; Jn.1:33.
Fire was also added to the baptism. Mt.3:11; Lu.3:16.
John knew of Jesus before he baptized him. Mt.3:11-13; Jn.1:28,29.
John knew nothing of Jesus at all. Mt.11:1-3.
Jesus begins his ministry after John's arrest. Mk.1:13,14.
Jesus begins his ministry before John's arrest. Jn.3:22-24.
It is recorded that Jesus saw the spirit descending. Mt.3:16; Mk.1:10.
It is recorded that John saw the spirit descending. Jn.1:32.
The heavenly voice addressed the gathering. Mt.3:17.
The heavenly voice addressed Jesus. Mk.1:11; Lk.3:22.
Immediately after the baptism, Jesus spent 40 days in the wilderness. Mt.4:1,2; Mk.1:12,13.
Three days after the baptism, Jesus was at the wedding in Cana. Jn.2:1.
Jesus went to Bethphage and the Mt. of Olives, then left for Bethany. Mt.21:1,17.
Jesus went to Bethphage and Bethany at the Mt. of Olives. Mk.11:1; Lk.19:29.
Jesus went to Bethany and then Jerusalem. Jn.12:1,12.
Jesus and his disciples taught in Capernaum. Mk.1:20,21.
Only Jesus taught in Capernaum. Lk.4:30,31.
Peter was chosen, with Andrew, by the Sea of Galilee. Mt.4:18-20; Mk.1:16-18.
Peter was chosen, with James and John, by the lake of Gennesaret. Lk.5:2-11.
Andrew chose Jesus and then got Peter to join. Jn.1:35-42.
Peter was to preach to the Jews. Mt.10:2,5,6; Gal.2:7.
Peter was to preach to the Gentiles. Acts 15:7.
Jesus cured Simon Peter's mother-in-law after he cleansed the leper. Mt.8:1-15.
Jesus cured Simon Peter's mother-in-law before he cleansed the leper. Mk.1:30-42; Lk.4:38 to 5:13.
Peter's mother-in-law was healed before Peter was called to be a disciple. Lu.4:38,39; 5:10.
Peter's mother-in-law was healed after Peter was called to be a disciple. Mt.4:18,19; 8:14,15; Mk.1:16,17,30,31.
James and John were with Jesus when he healed Simon Peter's mother-in-law. Mk.1:29-31.
James and John were not with Jesus when he healed Simon Peter's mother-in-law. Lu.4:38,39; 5:10,11.
Lebbaeus (Thaddaeus) was the name of an apostle - but no Judas, brother of James. Mt. 10:3.
Judas, the brother of James, was an apostle, but no Thaddaeus. Lk.6:16; Acts 1:13.
The centurion's servant was healed in between the cleansing of the leper and the healing of Peter's mother-in-law. Mt.8:2-15.
The centurion's servant was healed after the cleansing of the leper and the healing of Peter's mother-in-law. Lu.4:38,39; 5:12,13; 7:1-10.
The people were not impressed with the feeding of the multitude. Mk.6:52.
The people were very impressed with the feeding of the multitude. Jn.6:14.
After the feeding of the multitude, Jesus went to Gennesaret. Mk.6:53.
After the feeding of the multitude, Jesus went to Capernaum. Jn.6:14-17.
A demon cries out that Jesus is the Holy One of God. Mk.1:23,24.
Everyone who confesses that Jesus came in the flesh is of God. 1 Jn.4:2.
Jesus cursed the fig tree so that it would not bear fruit. Mt.21:19; Mk.11:14.
It wasn't time for the fig tree to bear fruit. Mk.11:13.
The fig tree withers immediately, and the disciples are amazed. Mt.21:19,20.
The disciples first notice the withered tree the next day. Mk.11:20,21.
Jesus is the mediator of the "Father". 1 Tim.2:5; 1 Jn.2:1.
Jesus sits on "his" right hand. Mk. 16:19.
Jesus and the "Father" are one in the same. Jn.10:30.
There is one "God". 1 Tim.2:5; Jms.2:19.
There are three. 1 Jn.5:7.
Jesus said to honor your father and mother. Mt.15:4; Mt.19:19; Mk.7:10; Mk.10:19; Lk.18:20.
Jesus said that he came to set people against their parents. Mt.10:35-37; Lk.12:51-53; Lk.14:26.
Jesus said to call no man father. Mt.23:9.
Jesus/God said, "You fool…". Lk.12:20; Mt.23:17.
Paul calls people fools. 1 Cor.15:36.
Call someone a fool and you go to hell. Mt.5:22.
Anger by itself is a sin. Mt.5:22.
But not necessarily. Eph.4:26.
Ask and it shall be given. Seek and you will find. Knock and it will be opened to you. Mt.7:7,8; Lk.11:9,10.
Ask and you shall be refused. Seek and you won't find. Knock and you will be refused entrance. Lk.13:24-27.
Do not judge. Mt.7:1,2.
Unless it is necessary, of course. 1 Jn.4:1-3.
Jesus is thankful that some things are hidden. Mt.11:25; Mk.4:11,12.
Jesus said that all things should be made known. Mk.4:22.
Jesus said that no sign would be given. Mk.8:12.
Jesus said that no sign would be given except for that of Jonas. Mt.12:39; Lk.11:29.
Jesus showed many signs. Jn.20:30; Acts 2:22.
Jesus stated that the law was until heaven and earth ended. Mt. 5:17-19.
Jesus stated that the law was only until the time of John. Lk.16:16.
The "Sermon on the Mount" took place on the mountain. Mt.5:1.
The "Sermon on the Mount" took place on a plain. Lu.6:17.
The "Lord's Prayer" was taught to many during the "Sermon on the Mount". Mt.6:9.
The "Lord's Prayer" was taught only to the disciples at another time. Lu.11:1.
Jesus had his own house. Mk.2:15.
Jesus did not have his own house. Lu.9:58.
Good works should be seen. Mt.5:16.
Good works should not be seen. Mt.6:1-4.
Jesus said that Salvation was only for the Jews. Mt.15:24; Mt.10:5,6; Jn.4:22; Rom.11:26,27.
Paul said that salvation was also for the Gentiles. Acts 13:47,48.
Repentance is necessary. Acts 3:19; Lu.3:3.
Repentance is not necessary. Rom.11:29.
Non-believers obtain mercy. Rom.11:32.
Only believers obtain mercy. Jn.3:36; Rom.14:23.
Only baptized believers obtain mercy. Mk.16:16.
Mercy cannot be predetermined. Rom.9:18.
All who call on the "Lord" will be saved. Rom.10:13; Acts 2:21.
Only those predestined will be saved. Acts 13:48; Eph.1:4,5; 2 Thes.2:13; Acts 2:47.
Jesus said he would not cast aside any that come to him. Jn.6:37.
Jesus said that many that come to him will be cast aside. Mt.7:21-23.
Salvation comes by faith and not works. Eph.2:8,9; Rom.11:6; Gal.2:16; Rom.3:28.
Salvation comes by faith and works. Jms.2:14,17,20.
The righteous have eternal life. Mt.25:46.
The righteous are barely saved. 1 Pet.4:18.
There are no righteous. Rom.3:10.
Believe and be baptized to be saved. Mk.16:16.
Be baptized by water and the spirit to be saved. Jn.3:5.
Endure to the end to be saved. Mt.24:13.
Call on the name of the "Lord" to be saved. Acts 2:21; Rom.10:13.
Believe in Jesus to be saved. Acts 16:31.
Believe, then all your household will be saved. Acts 16:31.
Hope and you will be saved. Rom.8:24.
Believe in the resurrection to be saved. Rom.10:9.
By grace you are saved. Eph.2:5
By grace and faith you are saved. Eph.2:8.
Have the love of truth to be saved. 2 Thes.2:10.
Mercy saves. Titus 3:5.
Backsliders are condemned. 2 Pet.2:20.
Backsliders are saved regardless. Jn.10:27-29.
Forgive seventy times seven. Mt.18:22.
Forgiveness is not possible for renewed sin. Heb.6:4-6.
Divorce, except for unfaithfulness, is wrong. Mt.5:32.
Divorce for any reason is wrong. Mk.10:11,12.
Jesus approved of destroying enemies. Lk.19:27.
Jesus said to love your enemies. Mt.5:44.
God resides in heaven. Mt.5:45; Mt.6:9; Mt.7:21.
Angels reside in heaven. Mk.13:32.
Jesus is with God in heaven. Acts 7:55,56
Believers go to heaven. 1 Pet.1:3,4.
Heaven will pass away. Mt.24:35; Mk.13:31; Lk.21:33.
Pray that you don't enter temptation. Mt.26:41.
Temptation is a joy. Jms.1:2.
God leads you into temptation. Mt.6:13

To be continued.....

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83 days later, how many contradictions in the bible have been listed here so far?

God leads you into temptation. Mt.6:13.

God tempts no one. Jms.1:13.
Take no thought for tomorrow. God will take care of you. Mt.6:25-34; Lk.12:22-31.
A man who does not provide for his family is worse than an infidel. 1 Tim.5:8.
Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Acts 2:21; Rom.10:13.
Not everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Mt.7:21.
Only those whom the Lord chooses will be saved. Acts 2:39.
We are justified by works and not by faith. Mt.7:21; Rom.2:6,13; Jms.2:24.
We are justified by faith and not by works. Jn.3:16; Rom.3:27; Eph.2:8,9.; Gal.2:16.
Do not take sandals (shoes) or staves. Mt.10:10.
Take only sandals (shoes) and staves. Mk.6:8,9.
Jesus said that in him there was peace. Jn.16:33.
Jesus said that he did not come to bring peace. Mt.10:34; Lk.12:51.
Jesus said that John the Baptist was a prophet and Elijah. Mt.11:9; Mt.17:12,13.
John said that he was not a prophet nor was he Elijah. Jn.1:21.
Jesus said that he was meek and lowly. Mt.11:29.
Jesus makes whips and drives the moneychangers out from the temple. Mt. 21:12; Mk.11:15,16; Jn.2:15.
Jesus said, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees". Lk.12:1.
Jesus said, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees". Mt.16:6,11.
Jesus said, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Herod". Mk.8:15.
Jesus founds his church on Peter. Mt.16:18.
Jesus calls Peter "Satan" and a hindrance. Mt.16:23.
The mother of James and John asks Jesus to favor her sons. Mt.20:20,21.
They ask for themselves. Mk.10:35-37.
Jesus responds that this favor is not his to give. Mt.20:23; Mk.10:40.
Jesus said that all authority is given to him. Mt.28:18; Jn.3:35.
Jesus heals two unnamed blind men. Mt.20:29,30.
Jesus heals one named blind man. Mk.10:46-52.
Jesus healed all that were sick. Mt.8:16; Lk.4:40.
Jesus healed many that were sick - but not all. Mk.1:34.
The council asks Jesus if he is the Son of God. Lk.22:70. The high priest asks Jesus if he is the Christ, the Son of God. Mt.26:63.
The high priest asks Jesus if he is the Christ the Son of the Blessed. Mk.14:61.
The high priest asks Jesus about his disciples and his doctrine. Jn.18:19.
Jesus answers to the effect of “You said it, not me”. Mt.26:64; Lk.22:70.
Jesus answers definitely, “I am”. Mk.14:62.
At the Mount of Olives, Jesus told Peter he would deny him three times. Mt.26:30-34.
At the Passover meal, Jesus told Peter he would deny him three times. Lu.22:13,14,34.
Peter was to deny Jesus before the cock crowed. Mt.26:34; Lk.22:34; Jn.13:38.
Peter was to deny Jesus before the cock crowed twice. Mk.14:30.
The cock crowed once. Mt.26:74.
The cock crowed twice. Mk.14:72.
Peter makes his first denial to a maid and some others. Mt.26:69,70.
It was only to the maid. Mk.14:66-68; Lk.22:56,57; Jn.18:17.
Peter’s second denial was to another maid. Mt.26:71,72.
It was to the same maid. Mk.14:69,70.
It was to a man and not a maid. Lk.22:58.
It was to more than one person. Jn.18:25.
Peter’s third denial was to several bystanders. Mt.26:73,74; Mk.14:69,70.
It was to one person. Lk.22:59,60.
It was to a servant. Jn.18:26,27.
The chief priests bought the field. Mt.27:6,7.
Judas bought the field. Acts 1:16-19.
Judas threw down the money and left. Mt.27:5.
Judas used the coins to buy the field. Acts 1:18.
Judas hanged himself. Mt.27:5.
Judas fell headlong and burst his head open. Acts 1:18.
Jesus did not answer any of the charges. Mt.27:12-14; Lk.23:9.
Jesus answered some of the charges. Mk.14:61,62.
Jesus answered all of the charges. Jn.18:33-37.
Jesus said that eternal life would be given to all that were given to him. Jn.11:27-29; Jn.17:12.
Jesus released Judas in order to keep this promise. Jn.18:5-9.
The chief priests and elders persuade the people. Mt.27:20.
Only the chief priests persuade the people. Mk.15:11.
The chief priests and the people persuade themselves. Lk.23:13-23.
Jesus is given a scarlet robe. Mt.27:28.
Jesus is given a purple robe. Mk.15:17; Jn.19:2.
Jesus is given a gorgeous robe. Lk.23:11.
The sign says, “This is Jesus the King of the Jews”. Mt.27:37.
The sign says, “The King of the Jews”. Mk.15:26.
In three languages, the sign says, “This is the King of the Jews”. Lk.23:38.
In the same three languages, the sign says, “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews”. Jn.19:19,20.
Jesus asks God, The Father, why he has forsaken him. Mt.27:46.
Jesus said that he and The Father were one in the same. Jn.10:30; Jn.17:11,21,22.
The centurion says, “Truly this was the son of God”. Mt.27:54.
The centurion says, “Truly this man was the son of God”. Mk.15:39.
The centurion says, “Certainly, this was a righteous man”. Lk.23:47.
There was no centurion. Jn.19:31-37.
Jesus was crucified at the third hour. Mk.15:25.
Jesus was still before Pilate at the sixth hour. Jn.19:13,14.
The women looked on from “afar”. Mt.27:55; Mk.15:40; Lk.23:49.
The women were very close. Jn.19:25.
The last recorded words of Jesus were:
Version 1: “Eli, Eli …My God, My God why have you forsaken me” Mt.27:46.
Version 2: “Eloi, Eloi…My God, My God why have you forsaken me” Mk.15:34.
Version 3: “Father, into your hands I commend my spirit”. Lk.23:46.
Version 4: “It is finished”. Jn.19:30.
A guard was placed at the tomb the day after the burial. Mt.27:65,66.
No guard is mentioned. Mk.15:44-47; Lk.23:52-56; Jn.19:38-42.
Only those keeping the words of Jesus will never see death. Jn.8:51.
Jesus’ disciples will be killed. Mt.24:3-9.
All men die once. Heb.9:27.
Upon their arrival, the stone was still in place. Mt.28:1 2.
Upon their arrival, the stone had been removed. Mk.16:4; Lk.24:2; Jn.20:1.
There was an earthquake. Mt.28:2.
There was no earthquake. Mk.16:5; Lk.24:2-4; Jn.20:12.
The visitors ran to tell the disciples. Mt.28:8.
The visitors told the eleven and all the rest. Lk.24:9.
The visitors said nothing to anyone. Mk.16:8.
Jesus first resurrection appearance was right at the tomb. Jn.20:12-14.
Jesus first resurrection appearance was fairly near the tomb. Mt.28:8,9.
Jesus first resurrection appearance was on the road to Emmaus. Lk.24:13-16.
One doubted. Jn.20:24.
Some doubted. Mt.28:17.
All doubted. Mk.16:11; Lk.24:11,14.
Jesus said that his blood was shed for many. Mk.14:24.
Jesus said his blood was shed for his disciples. Lu.22:20.
Simon of Cyrene was forced to bear the cross of Jesus. Mt.27:32; Mk.15:21; Lu.23:26.
Jesus bore his own cross. Jn.19:16,17.
Jesus was offered vinegar and gall to drink. Mt.27:34.
Jesus was offered vinegar to drink. Jn.19:29,30.
Jesus was offered wine and myrrh to drink. Mk.15:23.
Jesus refused the drink offered him. Mk.15:23.
Jesus tasted the drink offered and then refused. Mt.27:34.
Jesus accepted the drink offered him. Jn.19:30.
Both “thieves” mocked Jesus on the cross. Mt. 27:44; Mk.15:32.
One “thief” sided with Jesus on the cross. Lu.23:39-41.
Joseph of Arimathaea boldly asked for the body of Jesus. Mk.15:43.
Joseph of Arimathaea secretly asked for the body of Jesus. Jn.19:38.
Jesus was laid in a nearby tomb. Mk.15:46; Lu.23:53; Jn.19:41.
Jesus was laid in Joseph’s new tomb. Mt.27:59,60.
A great stone was rolled in front of the tomb. Mt.27:60; Mk.15:46.
There was nothing in front of the tomb. Lu.23:55; Jn.19:41.
Nicodemus prepared the body with spices. Jn.19:39,40.
Failing to notice this, the women bought spices to prepare the body later. Mk. 16:1; Lu.23:55,56.
The body was anointed. Jn.19:39,40.
The body was not anointed. Mk.15:46 to 16:1; Lk.23:55 to 24:1.
The women bought materials before the sabbath. Lu.23:56.
The women bought materials after the sabbath. Mk.16:1.
Jesus was first seen by Cephas, then the twelve. 1 Cor.15:5.
Jesus was first seen by the two Marys. Mt.28:1,8,9.
Jesus was first seen by Mary Magdalene. Mk.16:9; Jn.20:1,14,15.
Jesus was first seen by Cleopas and others. Lu.24:17,18.
Jesus was first seen by the disciples. Acts 10:40,41.
The two Marys went to the tomb. Mt.28:1.
The two Marys and Salome went to the tomb. Mk.16:1.
Several women went to the tomb. Lu.24:10.
Only Mary Magdalene went to the tomb. Jn.20:1.
It was dawn when Mary went to the tomb. Mt.28:1; Mk.16:2.
It was dark when Mary went to the tomb. Jn.20:1.
An angel sat on the stone at the door of the tomb. Mt.28:2.
A man was sitting inside the tomb. Mk.16:5.
Two men were standing inside the tomb. Lk.24:3,4.
Two angels were sitting inside the tomb. Jn.20:12.
Peter did not go into the tomb but stooped and looked inside. Lk.24:12.
Peter did go into the tomb, and another disciple stooped and looked inside. Jn.20:3-6.
After the resurrection, the disciples held Jesus by the feet. Mt.28:9.
After the resurrection, Jesus told Thomas to touch his side. John 20:27.
After the resurrection, Jesus said that he was not to be touched. Jn.20:17.
Mary first saw Jesus at the tomb. Jn.20:11-15.Mary first saw Jesus on her way home. Mt.28:8-10.

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83 days later, how many contradictions in the bible have been listed here so far?

The women entered the tomb. Mk.16:5; Lk.24:3.
The women stayed outside the tomb. Jn.20:11.
The disciples were frightened when they saw Jesus. Lk.24:36,37.
The disciples were glad when they first saw Jesus. Jn.20:20.
Twelve disciples saw Jesus. 1 Cor.15:5.
Eleven disciples saw Jesus. Thomas was not there. Mt.28:16,17; Jn.20:19-25.
The disciples doubted that Jesus had risen from the dead. Mt.28:17.
The Pharisees and chief priests believed it possible. Mt.27:62-66.
Jesus ascended on the third day after the resurrection. Lk.24:21,50,51.
Jesus ascended the same day as the crucifixion. Lk.23:42 43.
Jesus ascended forty days after the resurrection. Acts 1:3,9.
At the time of the ascension, there were about 120 brethren. Acts 1:15.
At the time of the ascension, there were about 500 brethren. 1 Cor.15:6.
The moneychangers incident occurred at the end of Jesus’ career. Mt.21:11,12.
The moneychangers incident occurred at the beginning of Jesus’ career. Jn.2:11-15.
Zacharias was the son of Jehoida, the priest. 2 Chr.24:20.
Jesus said that Zacharias was the son of Barachias. Mt.23:35. (Note: The name Barachias or Barachiah does not appear in the OT.)
The coming of the kingdom will be accompanied by signs and miracles. Mt.24:29-33; Mk.13:24-29.
It will not be accompanied by signs and miracles since it occurs from within. Lk.17:20,21.
The kingdom was prepared from the beginning. Mt.25:34.
Jesus said that he was going to go and prepare the kingdom. Jn.14:2,3.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin. Mk.3:29.
All sins are forgivable. Acts 13:39; Col.2:13; 1 Jn.1:9.
The ascension took place while the disciples were seated together at a table. Mk.16:14-19.
The ascension took place outdoors at Bethany. Lk.24:50,51.
The ascension took place outdoors at Mt. Olivet. Acts 1:9-12.
The holy spirit was with John from before he was born. Lk.1:15,41.
The holy spirit was with Elizabeth before John’s birth. Lk.1:41.
The holy spirit was with Zechariah. Lk.1:67.
The holy spirit was with Simeon. Lk.2:25.
The holy spirit is obtained by asking. Lk.11:13.
The holy spirit did not come into the world until after Jesus had departed. Jn.7:39; Jn.16:7; Acts 1:3-8.
Sometimes God is responsible for unbelief. 2 Thes.2:11,12.
Sometimes Jesus is responsible for unbelief. Mk.4:11,12.
The devil causes unbelief. Lk.8:12.
Whoever hates his brother is a murderer. 1 Jn.3:15.
If anyone claims to love God but hates his brother, he is a liar. 1 Jn.4:20.
No one can be a disciple of Jesus unless he hates his brother. Lk.14:26.
Believers do not come into judgment. Jn.5:24.
All people come into judgment. Mt.12:36; 2 Cor.5:10; Heb.9:27; 1 Pet.1:17; Jude 14,15; Rev.20:12,13.
Jesus says that, if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is true. Jn.8:14.
Jesus says that, if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is not true. Jn.5:31.
Men can choose whether or not to believe. Jn.5:38-47.
Only God chooses who will believe. Jn.6:44.
None of Jesus’ followers would be lost. Jn.10:27-29.
Some of Jesus’ followers would be lost. 1 Tim.4:1.
Jesus is the ruling prince of this world. Rev.1:5.
The prince of this world will be cast out. Jn.12:31.
Jesus says all men will be saved. Jn.3:17.
Only 144,000 virgin men will be saved. Rev. 14:1-4.
God wants all men to be saved. 1 Tim.2:3,4; 2 Pet.3:9.
God does not want all men to be saved. Jn.12:40.
Peter asks Jesus where he is going. Jn.13:36.
Thomas asks Jesus where he is going. Jn.14:5.
Jesus said that no one asked where he was going. Jn.16:5.
Jesus lost only one disciple. Jn.17:12.
Jesus lost no disciples. Jn.18:9.
Jesus came into the world to bear witness to the truth. Jn.18:37.
The truth has always been evident. Rom.1:18-20.

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83 days later, how many contradictions in the bible have been listed here so far?

During his first resurrection appearance, Jesus gave his disciples the holy spirit. Jn.20:22.
The holy spirit was given to the disciples after his ascension. Acts 1:3-8.
The world could not contain all that could be written of Jesus. Jn.21:25.
All was written. Acts.1:1.
Obey the laws of men for it is the will of God. 1 Pet.2:13-15.
The disciples disobey the council. Acts 5:40-42.
Obey God, not men. Acts 5:29.
Obey men. It is God’s will. Rom.13:1-4; 1 Pet.2:13-15.
God hated Esau and loved Jacob even before they were born. Rom.9:10-13.
God shows no partiality and treats all alike. Acts 10:34; Rom.2:11.
All who have sinned without the law will perish without the law. Rom.2:12.
Where there is no law there is no sin or transgression. Rom.4:15.
Doers of the law will be justified. Rom.2:13.
Doers of the law will not be justified. Rom.3:20; Gal.3:11.
The law has dominion. Rom.7:1.
The law does not have dominion. Rom.6:14.
The law was the result of sin. Gal.3:19.
Sin is the result of breaking the law. 1 Jn.3:4.
Those of “God” cannot sin. 1 Jn.3:9.
Those of “God” can sin. 1 Jn.1:7 8.
The anointing of Jesus teaches right from wrong. 1 Jn.2:27.
The law written on the heart and conscience teaches right from wrong. Rom.2:15.
Abraham was justified by faith. Heb.11:8.
Abraham was justified by works. Jms.2:21.
Abraham was not justified by works. Rom.4:2.
It is not good to eat or drink anything that might cause your brother to stumble or be offended. Rom.14:21.
Let no one pass judgment on you in matters of food or drink. Col.2:16.
It is better that widows should not remarry. 1 Cor.7:8.
It is better that young widows should remarry. 1 Tim.5:11-14.
The god of this world blinds people to the gospel. 2 Cor.4:4.
There is only one god. 1 Cor.8:4.
The powers of this world are wicked, so fight against them. Eph.6:11-13.
All powers are ordained of God and, if you resist, you are damned. Rom.13:1,2.
Bear one another’s burdens. Gal.6:2.
Bear your own burdens. Gal.6:5.
Anyone who even greets a non-believer shares his wicked work. 2 Jn.10,11.
Always be ready to answer any man concerning your faith. 1 Pet.3:15.
All of the grass on the earth is burned up. Rev.8:7.
The army of locusts are instructed not to harm the grass. Rev.9:4.
Only “The Father” knows. Mk.13:32.
“Jesus” and “The Father” are one. Jn.10:30; 17:11,21,22.
Jesus said that he would judge. Jn.5:22,27-30; Jn.9:39.
Jesus said that he would not judge. Jn.8:15; Jn.12:47.
Jesus said that The Father judges. Jn.12:48,49.
Jesus said that The Father does not judge. Jn.5:22.
Jesus said that his disciples would judge. Lk.22:30.
He that does not believe is damned. Mk.16:16.
Thomas did not believe and was not damned. Jn.20:27-29.
“When his branch is yet tender”. Mt.24:32.
“When her branch is yet tender”. Mk.13:28.
Jesus is God. Jn.10:30.
Jesus is the “image” of God. 2 Cor.4:4.
Jesus was a man approved by God. Acts 2:22.
Jesus and God are one in the same. Jn.1:1.
Jesus is beside himself. Mk.16:19; Acts 2:32,33; 7:55; Rom.8:34; etc.
Jesus is the Son of God. Jn.6:69; Jn.20:31.
Jesus is the Son of Man. Mt.18:11; Lk.21:27.
Paul states that he does not lie. Rom.9:1; 2 Cor.11:31; Gal.1:20; 1 Tim.2:7.
Paul states that he does lie. Rom.3:7.
Paul said that he does not use trickery. 1 Thes.2:3.
Paul admits to using trickery. 2 Cor.12:16.
Paul says that circumcision is nothing. 1 Cor.7:19.
Paul says that circumcision is profitable. Rom.2:25; Rom.3:1,2.
Do not covet. Rom.7:7; Rom.13:9.
Paul says covet. 1 Cor.12:31; 1 Cor.14:39.
Paul teaches not to steal. Eph.4:28.
Paul admits to stealing. 2 Cor.11:8.
Paul was assured that he would not be hurt. Acts 18:9,10.
Paul was often physically abused. 2 Cor.11:23-27.
Paul states that the law is necessary. Rom.3:31.
Paul states that the law is not necessary. Rom.6:14.
Jesus said to go and baptize. Mt.28:19.
Paul said he was not sent to baptize. 1 Cor.1:17.
Paul said he was not sent to baptize but to preach. 1 Cor.1:17.
Paul baptized. 1 Cor.1:16.
Jesus said that he did not come to abolish the law. Mt.5:17-19.
Paul said otherwise. Eph.2:15.
Jesus said that God did not condemn the world. Jn. 3:17.
Paul said that God did condemn the world. Rom.5:18.
Those present at Paul’s conversion stood. Acts 9:7.
They fell to the ground. Acts 26:14.
Those present at Paul’s conversion heard a voice but saw nothing. Acts 9:7.
Those present at Paul’s conversion saw a light but heard nothing. Acts 22:9.
Shortly after his conversion, Paul went to Damascus where he spent some time with the apostles. Acts 9:19.
Paul went to Damascus three years later and saw only Peter and James. Gal.1:18,19.
Shortly after his conversion, Paul went to Damascus and then to Jerusalem. Acts 9:18-26.
Shortly after his conversion, Paul went to Arabia, then to Damascus, and then, 3 years later, to Jerusalem. Gal.1:17,18.
In Damascus, the governor attempts to seize Paul. 2 Cor.11:32.
In Damascus, the Jews attempt to seize Paul. Acts 9:22,23.
The holy spirit forbids preaching in Asia. Acts 16:6.
Paul preaches in Asia anyway. Acts 19:8-10.
Paul said he would not be a servant of Christ if he tried to please men. Gal.1:10.
Paul said that he tried to please men. 1 Cor.10:33.
Paul says that he was the chief of all sinners. 1 Tim.1:15.
He who commits sin is of the devil. Children of God cannot sin. 1 Jn.3:8-10.
Paul said that Jesus is the judge. 2 Tim.4:1.
Paul said that God is the judge. Heb.12:23.
Paul said that the saints would judge. 1 Cor.6:2.
Paul said that Jesus was the Son of God. Rom.1:3,4.
Paul said that Jesus was just a man. Heb.7:24.
Do not boast. Lk.18:14.
Do not be proud. Rom.11:20; 1 Pet. 5:5.
Paul proudly boasts. 2 Cor.11:16-18; Gal.2:9-11.
Jesus commends the church at Ephesus for discerning the lying apostles. Rev. 2:1,2.
Paul was the apostle to Ephesus. Eph.1:1.

83 days later, how many contradictions in the bible have been listed here so far?

I make that almost 200 and still counting.

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I make that almost 200 and still counting.

Sure you do. But there is a reason you people always mass dump this old tired logicless dross. You don't want to support any of them, you just want all accepted as contradictions without any critical thought of any.

I've seen you argue many of them right here on Dart and lose, yet here you are, dropping them again, though they have been soundly rebutted.

You've dropped 200 allegations, not a single contradiction. One contradiction would do, the fact that you had to post a wall of text is telling.

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Sure you do. But there is a reason you people always mass dump this old tired logicless dross. You don't want to support any of them, you just want all accepted as contradictions without any critical thought of any.

If to you then they are not contradictions, then simply start by telling us why they are not contradictions, instead of attempting to passing these very clear contradictions off as " dross". You do yourself or your beliefs or your faith no justice or favours by simply trying to play down and wave away what are clear & obvious contradictions for anyone to see for themselves.

You don't want to support any of them,

Support them as what!!!? I don't have to. I have pointed them out. They are clear biblical contradictions. It is down to you, the believer and the faithful to explain away these contradictions. NOT ME!!!

I've seen you argue many of them right here on Dart and lose,

Well let us all see me lose again, instead of you resorting to outright telling lies about me. . Why don't you try just clearing up a few of these NT biblical contradictions. Tell me why for instance, Paul states that he does not lie. Rom.9:1; 2 Cor.11:31; Gal.1:20; 1 Tim.2:7. but then

Paul states that he does lie. Rom.3:7.?

What about you explaining to us how it is that Jesus can say on the one hand : if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is true. Jn.8:14. YETon the other Jesus says that, if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is not true. Jn.5:31.

And please, take your time.

You've dropped 200 allegations, not a single contradiction.

Stop telling lies. The contradictions are there above, as clear as day for anyone; including a extremely poor reader to see. Now is all you have to do, is simply explain to us all why they are not contradictions , according to you?

One contradiction would do, the fact that you had to post a wall of text is telling.

It is very telling isn't it? It is telling that there are contradictions in the bible that YOU cannot explain away.

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I make that almost 200 and still counting.

Sure you do. But there is a reason you people always mass dump this old tired logicless dross. You don't want to support any of them, you just want all accepted as contradictions without any critical thought of any.

I've seen you argue many of them right here on Dart and lose, yet here you are, dropping them again, though they have been soundly rebutted.

You've dropped 200 allegations, not a single contradiction. One contradiction would do, the fact that you had to post a wall of text is telling.

You got swamped. (^8

His list would take thousands of posts to respond to in detail. The first question that came to my mind is what atheist/skeptic site was it taken from?

There are various Christian sites that respond to the much-alleged contradictions. Glenn Miller does a good job (http://christianthinktank.com/), so do others such as J.P. Holding at Tektonics (http://www.tektonics.org/).

For instance,

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/merrit01.php

http://www.tektonics.org/uz/wally01.php

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/rezrvw.php

http://www.tektonics.org/af/ebestart.php

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/morgand03.php

http://www.tektonics.org/af/bucknerj01.php

http://www.tektonics.org/TK-MTT.php

http://www.tektonics.org/harmonize/greenharmony.htm

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/johnsure.php

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/martincac2.php

http://www.tektonics.org/guest/300proof.html

That is just a sampling of the many pages of refutations against those who claim the Bible is in error.

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Regarding Stephen's specific list, is he serious? These verses are easily and logically explained.

Romans 9:1 (NASB)
Solicitude for Israel
9 I am telling the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience testifies with me in the Holy Spirit,

Concerning what is he telling the truth about? The verse by itself drops the rest of the context. It is a ploy of those who misrepresent the Bible to isolate verses or ignore the rest of the background. Does that mean that Paul has never lied? No.

Here is the rest of the passage and what Paul is referring to,

2 that I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart.

'That' is a conjunction and joins the two sentences together in explaining what Paul is telling the truth about.

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2 Corinthians 11:31 (NASB)
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, He who is blessed forever, knows that I am not lying.
Not lying in regards to what?

30 If I have to boast, I will boast of what pertains to my weakness.

About his boasting in the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Galatians 1:20 (NASB)
20 (Now in what I am writing to you, I assure you before God that I am not lying.)

Concerning what?

13 For you have heard of my former manner of life in Judaism, how I used to persecute the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it; 14 and I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries among my countrymen, being more extremely zealous for my ancestral traditions. 15 But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, was pleased 16 to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood, 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went away to Arabia, and returned once more to Damascus.
18 Then three years later I went up to Jerusalem to become acquainted with Cephas, and stayed with him fifteen days. 19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord’s brother.

In context, about persecuting the church, being beyond his year in Judaism, zealous, God's grace calling him and revealing His Son to him so that Paul would preach the gospel to the Gentiles, in which he consulted no one immediately, nor go to Jerusalem to see the apostles but went to Arabia. Then three years later, he went to Jerusalem, became acquainted with Peter, and stayed fifteen days. He also confirmed he saw no one else except James and the Lord's brother during that time. That is the context to which he says he is not lying. Does that mean he has never lied? No. So the whole contradiction is just smoke. It is reasonable and logically explained by the contexts. Taking a verse out of context is a pretext in the sense that the person doing this can make it say things that it does not say in relation to the rest of the passage or thought process.

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1 Timothy 2:7 (NASB)
7 For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying) as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

For what?

2 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. 3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

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In all the above, Paul is speaking of specific things. In the below example Paul is speaking in terms of generalities in showing that the whole world of humanity is answerable to God, including himself.

Romans 3:7 (NASB)
7 But if through my lie the truth of God abounded to His glory, why am I also still being judged as a sinner?

Now, for the context.

All the World Guilty
3 Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? 2 Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God. 3 What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it? 4 May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written,
“That You may be justified in Your words,
And prevail when You are judged.”
5 But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? The God who inflicts wrath is not unrighteous, is He? (I am speaking in human terms.) 6 May it never be! For otherwise, how will God judge the world? 7 But if through my lie the truth of God abounded to His glory, why am I also still being judged as a sinner? 8 And why not say (as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), “Let us do evil that good may come”? Their condemnation is just.
9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; 10 as it is written,
“There is none righteous, not even one;
11 There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,”
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”;
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
16 Destruction and misery are in their paths,
17 And the path of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

Thus, Paul is as guilty of anyone under the Law, for it takes one sin to break God's command. But Paul preaches the grace of God through Christ. He is the one Man who is an exception to the rule that all have lied. Even here, Jesus was identified with the transgressor in that He took their punishment upon Himself on the cross. So, yet though no sin was found in Him, He became sin in the sense that He took our punishment in exchange for us (the believer) taking His righteousness. In regards to His righteousness, He lived the perfectly righteous life before God.

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Skeptics annotated bible is a big one. If you get sucked into this, you'll be answering questions til the grave. No one will read the answers. If they do, they won't believe.

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Skeptics annotated bible is a big one. If you get sucked into this, you'll be answering questions til the grave. No one will read the answers. If they do, they won't believe.

Yes, I have fallen into that trap before. (^8

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Yes, I have fallen into that trap before. (^8

That is what they want in posting a wall-o-text.

Thanks for your concise post above.

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Sure you do. But there is a reason you people always mass dump this old tired logicless dross. You don't want to support any of them, you just want all accepted as contradictions without any critical thought of any.

If to you then they are not contradictions, then simply start by telling us why they are not contradictions, instead of attempting to passing these very clear contradictions off as " dross".

No sir. You are the one claiming they are contradictions. I don't have to explain anything that has not been established. These things are not contradictions just because you say they are.

You do yourself or your beliefs or your faith no justice or favours by simply trying to play down and wave away what are clear & obvious contradictions for anyone to see for themselves.

They are not contradictions just because you say they are. This is a debate site. No one will take your claim on faith.

You don't want to support any of them,

Support them as what!!!? I don't have to. I have pointed them out. They are clear biblical contradictions.

No, they are not. Any idiot can “point out” things they claim are contradictions. Things are not contradictions because you post them. Show us how they are contradictions.

It is down to you, the believer and the faithful to explain away these contradictions. NOT ME!!!

That they are contradictions is your claim. You have the BoP. Until you establish that these are contradictions, I have nothing to explain.

I've seen you argue many of them right here on Dart and lose,

Well let us all see me lose again, instead of you resorting to outright telling lies about me.

If its “again”, then I couldn't be ly…. Never mind. Lol

Why don't you try just clearing up a few of these NT biblical contradictions. Tell me why for instance, Paul states that he does not lie. Rom.9:1; 2 Cor.11:31; Gal.1:20; 1 Tim.2:7. but then Paul states that he does lie. Rom.3:7.?

As you can see from PGA2.0’s excellent post above, your claim is just a semantic ploy that hopes no one will actually read the passage. What amazes me about people pushing this silliness is how they explain how this “obvious and clear” contradiction escaped detection for hundred of years by thousands of linguists, historians and professors.

What about you explaining to us how it is that Jesus can say on the one hand : if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is true. Jn.8:14.

That is not what Jesus said.

YET on the other Jesus says that, if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is not true. Jn.5:31. And please, take your time.

I need no time. You have misquoted Jesus in order to fake a contradiction. Every so called contradiction you've posted is nothing but silly word play, or an outright fake quote.

You've dropped 200 allegations, not a single contradiction.

Stop telling lies. The contradictions are there above, as clear as day for anyone; including a extremely poor reader to see.

Things do not automatically become contradictions because you say they are. If contradictions were so clear and obvious, Christianity would not be #1 in the world.

Now is all you have to do, is simply explain to us all why they are not contradictions , according to you?

No sir. You must show how they are contradictions. No one is going to take your claims on faith.

One contradiction would do, the fact that you had to post a wall of text is telling.

It is very telling isn't it? It is telling that there are contradictions in the bible that YOU cannot explain away.

Lol. You're now calling them contradictions, all without argumentation, without support, and without any logic. Just by posting them.

And are now claiming I cannot explain what you couldn't support. Do you even know what debate is?

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Yes, I have fallen into that trap before. (^8
That is what they want in posting a wall-o-text.

It's not a question of genuine interest in my opinion but an "I gotcha" moment that is no such thing.

What about you explaining to us how it is that Jesus can say on the one hand : if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is true. Jn.8:14. YETon the other Jesus says that, if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is not true. Jn.5:31.
And please, take your time.

John 8:14 (NASB)

14 Jesus answered and said to them, “Even if I testify about Myself, My testimony is [a]true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from or where I am going.

Footnotes:

John 8:14 Or valid

Now, the rest of the context:

12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, “I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.” 13 So the Pharisees said to Him, “You are testifying about Yourself; Your testimony is not true.” 14 Jesus answered and said to them, “Even if I testify about Myself, My testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from or where I am going. 15 You judge according to the flesh; I am not judging anyone. 16 But even if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone in it, but I and the Father who sent Me. 17 Even in your law it has been written that the testimony of two men is true. 18 I am He who testifies about Myself, and the Father who sent Me testifies about Me.”

The Jews knew that it took two or three witnesses to establish a credible testimony. They were also judging solely from a human perspective. But being God and one with the Father it was not only Him that testified about Himself but also His Father and the Holy Spirit. Being God, even His testimony about Himself was valid in and of itself for it is impossible for God to lie and because there is no greater authority than God Himself. By His godly perspective alone, He could thus say His testimony itself was valid.

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John 5:31 (NASB)

31 “If I alone testify about Myself, My testimony is not [a]true.

Footnotes:

John 5:31 I.e. admissible as legal evidence

Jesus, in this case, is speaking about His testimony from a legal standpoint since the Jews were asking Him why they should take His testimony about Himself as valid. Thus, from a legal perspective, He answers them.

Under the law, His testimony was not valid because it took two or three witnesses to establish a testimony. Thus He could say His testimony about Himself was not valid evidence in a court of law. But the chapter goes on to establish other witnesses as well as His witness about Himself. Being God, there is no greater authority. Being God, it is impossible for Him to lie. But from a human viewpoint under the law it requires two or three witnesses to establish a testimony as true. So when you read the rest of the passage these corollaries from His ministry and life example witness about Him.

1. Equal with God, thus God.

2. The witness of God the Father.

3. The witness of John the Baptist.

4. The witness of Scripture.

a. The witness of Moses.

b. The witness of the prophets.

c. The witness of the Law of Moses.

5. The witness of His works of righteousness/miracles/healings/teaching, etc.

Now the rest of the passage:

Jesus’ Equality with God

18 For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

19 Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. 20 For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself is doing; and the Father will show Him greater works than these, so that you will marvel. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes. 22 For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, 23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Two Resurrections

25 Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; 27 and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

30 “I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

31 “If I alone testify about Myself, My testimony is not true. 32 There is another who testifies of Me, and I know that the testimony which He gives about Me is true.

Witness of John

33 You have sent to John, and he has testified to the truth. 34 But the testimony which I receive is not from man, but I say these things so that you may be saved. 35 He was the lamp that was burning and was shining and you were willing to rejoice for a while in his light.

Witness of Works

36 But the testimony which I have is greater than the testimony of John; for the works which the Father has given Me to accomplish—the very works that I do—testify about Me, that the Father has sent Me.

Witness of the Father

37 And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form. 38 You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent.

Witness of the Scripture

39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life. 41 I do not receive glory from men; 42 but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in yourselves. 43 I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44 How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

So, John 5:31 is speaking strictly from the legal aspect of the law regarding testimony being established by two or three witnesses.

John 8:14 is speaking from the standpoint of who Jesus is; one with the Father/God, not from His subordinate role in fulfilling all righteousness of (believers in Him) humanity by becoming a man.

Anyone who clicks on the links will see that what is said is true. I could go into a lot more detailed account but that will suffice for now. I doubt Stephen will challenge it. He just wants to make noise since he has a bone to pick with Christianity and God, IMO.

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I could go into a lot more detailed account but that will suffice for now.

You would be throwing your pearls....

I doubt Stephen will challenge it.

He'll find something to challenge.

He quotes Jesus in Jn 8:14 saying, "Jesus can say on the one hand : if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is true. Jn.8:14.

Jesus actually said, though I bear witness of myself....

He changes (or the atheist site he mined changed) Jn 8:14 so that it "matches" Jn. 5:31 and then he can claim a contradiction.

I certainly wasn't going to go into the detail you did. Thanks for doing that. It was an excellent post. I know you did it for people other than Stephen.

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It's a collection of archaic myths.

So why nit pick?

And why get so hung up?

I expect we all contradict ourselves every now and then.

So if you like the read, then enjoy.

Regards.

Z.

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I could go into a lot more detailed account but that will suffice for now.
You would be throwing your pearls....

Yes, well I won't bother. I just wanted to demonstrate that there are reasons and logic behind the Christian worldview that these guys continually overlook in their anger towards God. (^8

I doubt Stephen will challenge it.
He'll find something to challenge.

He quotes Jesus in Jn 8:14 saying, "Jesus can say on the one hand : if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is true. Jn.8:14.

Jesus actually said, though I bear witness of myself....

I haven't checked the Greek. I used the NASB translation.

He changes (or the atheist site he mined changed) Jn 8:14 so that it "matches" Jn. 5:31 and then he can claim a contradiction.

I certainly wasn't going to go into the detail you did. Thanks for doing that. It was an excellent post. I know you did it for people other than Stephen.

Yes, I did it for others.

His 200 alleged contradictions have reasonable answers, but it would be futile to go into each one. I have found the reply is always more of the same, then one more, then one more, then one more....

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It's a collection of archaic myths.

I know you think so. Is it supposed to mean something to me?

So why nit pick?

Indeed, if you believe it's a collection of archaic myths, why nit pick?

And why get so hung up?

Remember when you thought others were getting hung up on teenage sex in restrooms and it was only you talking about it?

I expect we all contradict ourselves every now and then.

Err... OK.

So if you like the read, then enjoy.

The read was fine, the assumptions not so much. But illogic is not yet illegal, so enjoy!

Regards, Z.

Cool sig. My kind regards to you too.

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I just wanted to demonstrate that there are reasons and logic behind the Christian worldview that these guys continually overlook in their anger towards God.

I get a person not believing the bible, but why the caustic anger?

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I would have and was, going to given this pointless thread a wide berth until you posted this goading statement challenging atheist to post here with biblical contradictions, implying atheists were unable to find any because according to you; the faithful, there aren't any.

83 days later, how many contradictions in the bible have been listed here so far?

You got what you asked for , regardless of the source, and now your crying because there are far too many for you to handle. And those lists of nearly 200 contradictions that I have posted were from the New Testament alone, I couldn't be bothered to "mine" the net for Old Testament contradictions.

Now is all you have to do is start explaining away these very clear contradictions. It is not for me to do so. Now. off you go and take as long as you like.