Kim Possible Endgame

This war a fair and balanced game. Change my mind. All big powers were balanced. It was a 1x and the vigil died if he shot town. Balanced. Sorry, but this was a fair game

While this game was shitty due to the mishaps in the game, we completed it. I hope to run a better game soon without the human error. The roles were reflective of characters in a series. The town is usually better in KP and the villians are weaker and have no special power that takes them over the edge, but by incompetence of a town (town in KP), it makes KPs job harder. 

I can't change roles and there power in the game. Kim being Vanilla is stupid

This is how series mafia goes in this case. I will not change roles and characters just cause. It is really bullcrap that town would do that and try to cheat the game like that

Overall here is my opinion


MVP: Disc

Disc convinced everyone that he was town in the end and he manipulated everyone and basically got everyone fooled

Water's hack on Mharman ended up being a backfire and held back town from finding out Disc

I do mod better games than this, and this is one bad case where it happened to be a mishap on my part, that caused this game to be less engaging in the first place. It will be better

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There are plenty of other characters you could have used. I googled "Kim possible characters" for my DP 3 fake claim and got a lot more than 10 results. You could have swapped out the minor characters such as Monique (I assume Monique is a minor character since I don't remember her but It has been well over a decade since I watched this show) and even kept most of the roles fairly similar.

You made a role madness setup and that is fine, but a role madness game cannot be an open setup because that simply gives town a guaranteed win with optimal play. It has to be a closed setup if it is role madness.

Is it over yet?

Speaking of optimal play... The scum teams play this game was sub-optimal (with one of them going out of their way to try losing on DP 1 and the other making a sub-optimal NK choice NP1) but towns play was worse. Town should have followed Mharman and myself in the outting of the setup.

That means town should have pressured Mharman and myself to claim DP 1.

Nobody did so because we 'looked townie'... Under normal circumstances this is obviously fine, mafia is a human game and should normally be played like a human, but when you have a strategy for a guaranteed win laid out in front of you then you can no longer afford to play like a human. You must ignore your heart in favor of your brain and play like a robot. If town had followed through on fully mass claiming DP 1 then it would not have mattered what night actions were taken town would have won.

Oh that's another thing... This isn't just for this game this is for the sites meta in general: I consider my town play to be rather mediocre at best but I really am good at playing as scum. Exceptionally good. I am not trying to brag, it's just the way it is. One thing that has always perplexed me was how many people treat power roles as secret keys to victory. Sure if someone happens to cop someone as scum that helps town a bit but if you are relying on night actions as your primary scum hunting method then you are only going to win if your scum team is exceptionally incompetent. A balanced game takes into account the fact that scum have an information advantage so if you as town don't do everything in your power to limit that information advantage then you will only win about 50% of the time in the long run. The moral of the story is this: TOWN, IF YOU PLAY AT NIGHT YOU LOSE AT NIGHT. YOU ONLY WIN WITH YOUR PLAY DURING THE DAY.

Again that last bit was not directed specifically at this game. This game was actually a bit of an exception case. It's just something I have been meaning to say for a while. Sorry for the tangent.

Lol it's over now.

Players are going to take any route to victory that they have available to them. If a certain route is unfair for their opponent it is your job as mod to close that route off. You failed in that duty.

No such thing as a town favored game with DD as scum.

Now I am done.

I'm totally in the camp that town needs to have a damn good reason for withholding information, even on day one. Town can never win if they hold all the cards to their chest and pray for luck.

Wait, so Supa did have you review the game? You told me in the PM that he did not.

He had me review another game before. I thought it was this one. Oh well

Should've worded it clearer. I would interpret "missed" as didn't go through not hit town

He didn’t have me review the game lol

This game was hella anti mafia. Town was just full of idiots. 4 Town PRs with a full time cop a full time doctor, a vig to kill a scum and a hacker who can confirm the cop. Not to mention the roles were easily Town confirmable since you decided to be lazy and not changed them like we told you to do.

This.

Smart move killing me in the NP. In Dp2 I was going to announce “if there is still one scum remaining after my lunch pool is finished off, Lynch Disc next. I should’ve announced it DP1. If I had announced it then I might’ve been declared MVP.

Overall, I’m pretty proud of how I played this game, especially after how bad I was during Throne of Glass.

I don’t think you should have an LVP. Having one will discourage the player who gets it from playing in future games.

ALSO

town has way too many power roles.

Next time Supa I would tone it down a bit and put more vanillas in the game.

I am skeptical of that claim, but even if true still say town should have pushed for claims harder after it was revealed to be a solved game. That includes you. Four people were active and unclaimed by the end of DP 1. Too many for a situation like what we had. It was a unique situation to be sure, but still should have adapted to it.

Ok! Thanks for the suggestion

Wow, I got LVP that's one big accomplishment

I hope this doesn’t discourage you from playing in future games. The thing is. You played far better in this game than you did in your first game. You’re getting better and are well on your way to becoming a really good player.

Thanks, my first game I didn't know I was mafia.

I mean I could have given it to Pie for being an instant scum read and instead of trying to legit play in the DP1 he bitched about the game which nearly caused a Mafia L

You did fine overall. That one mistake was a hgue setback. The bigger impact was that, and it overall lead to town demise. I had to give it to instigator of the town fail. It was confirmed town role by GP and you countered it with a hack, Not to mention you didn't save the hack too

Yeah, well gg

Nah, pie did fine except for his NK choice. Even the NK choice was not bad... Just less than perfect.

Unlike me pie actually put effort into the game lol.