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@Polytheist-Witch
no but if you invite someone in and they bring someone you didn't anticipate you can't kill them.
So the Gov. of Alabama, want to force rape victims to give birth.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
No I can't because they have rights. The unborn don't. They are not a person yet. Supreme Court basically said so and will again.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
There is no reasonable excuse to shirk your responsibilities of your actions.
Are you talking about the responsibilities of the male?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
no but if you invite someone in and they bring someone you didn't anticipate you can't kill them.
But you can certainly deport them. And even if it's the middle of the Siberian winter (or a war zone) and they have no other place to go.
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@3RU7AL
It takes 2 so no idea why you'd bring up just one sex. The purpose of deportation isn't to kill is it? Siberia isn't near the U. S.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
It takes 2 so no idea why you'd bring up just one sex.
Mostly because the woman seems to get the lion's share of the blame.
The purpose of deportation isn't to kill is it? Siberia isn't near the U. S.
The purpose of abortion isn't to kill. The purpose is to remove the embryo. Ectogenesis for the win!!
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@Polytheist-Witch
A bus ticket is nothing compared to the price of the actual surgery, and California has all sorts of state subsidies for it as well.
In fact, only the richest women can afford to NOT get an abortion in a liberal state.
Maybe they can stay there too and enjoy the tent cities.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Let's see Dr goes to prison. Women go to prison. Baby daddy nothing
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@Greyparrot
Again a male has no idea
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@Polytheist-Witch
@3RU7AL
Mostly because the woman seems to get the lion's share of the blame.
news flash, life isn't fair lol
The purpose of abortion isn't to kill. The purpose is to remove the embryo. Ectogenesis for the win!!
regardless, you know by "deporting" a fetus/baby/human/person it/they will die, TOTALLY different than sending an illegal back home
Polytheist-Witch
Let's see Dr goes to prison. Women go to prison. Baby daddy nothing
the woman doesn't go to prison and see above, life in fact is not fair, that's just how it is. Unless you want to give the baby daddy a say on whether to abort or not then sure he'd be responsible, want to go there?
If women want bodily autonomy, then males should have it too.
Abolish selective service. Women can defend their own country without relying on males.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
If a woman is forced to carry a baby daddy should be established through dna and forced to work and pay for the kid. Or do time.
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@Greyparrot
All for it. All register or none.
@pollywanna
An idiot country forces young men to kill other young men and you equate that with bodily autonomy. Whose permission do you need to have a tumor removed from your body?
Why are you all so afraid of women having the same rights as you demand for yourselves?
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@Polytheist-Witch
If a woman is forced to carry a baby daddy should be established through dna and forced to work and pay for the kid. Or do time.
the other perspective is to look at it as not forcing the woman to carry a baby, but to not kill a baby. I mean law enforcement can even get involved if the woman is abusing drugs or alcohol when pregnant. So if there's protection for the baby from those things certainly there must be protection for the baby from willful death right?
I really wish the retard would stop referring to things Grey Parrot is saying to me.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
No you are forcing a women to carry a pregnancy. No law enforcement can't. You can drink and do drugs if pregnant as long as you are not using illegal ones. We have all kinds of clients on subutex and suboxone legally who are pregnant and we can't do anything about it.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Mostly because the woman seems to get the lion's share of the blame.news flash, life isn't fair lol
So you don't think that the male should be "responsible for their own actions"?
Why didn't you just say that in the first place. If you don't have a principled position, just be honest about it.
And if you do have a principled position, please explain it.
Simply saying, "life isn't fair lol" is an argument against all laws.
The purpose of abortion isn't to kill. The purpose is to remove the embryo. Ectogenesis for the win!!regardless, you know by "deporting" a fetus/baby/human/person it/they will die, TOTALLY different than sending an illegal back home
Not really. People are deported into war-zones and desperate situations in which they fear for their lives.
Deportation can often be a death-penalty. The anti-immigration fervor doesn't seem to give a rip about the lives of the deported.
Besides, the development of ectogenesis technology will make it possible to extract an embryo or fetus from a womb AND KEEP IT ALIVE.
In a pro-lifer's view it would be exactly like taking a child from an unfit parent and making them a ward of the state.
Let's see Dr goes to prison. Women go to prison. Baby daddy nothingthe woman doesn't go to prison and see above, life in fact is not fair, that's just how it is. Unless you want to give the baby daddy a say on whether to abort or not then sure he'd be responsible, want to go there?
(IFF) a man impregnates a woman who doesn't want a child (THEN) they are both equally responsible for the unwanted pregnancy and any punishment imposed on the woman should also be imposed on the man (for their irresponsible behavior).
(IFF) a doctor (hit-man) gets 99 years for performing an abortion procedure (baby murder) (THEN) the woman (mob boss) who requested that procedure (contract hit) should get 99 years.
(IFF) abortion = murder (THEN) abortion punishment = murder punishment.
(IFF) abortion = murder (THEN) miscarriage = manslaughter.
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@3RU7AL
So you don't think that the male should be "responsible for their own actions"?
read all my replies, if you want the male to be responsible then he also gets a say on whether to kill it or not, you can't have it both ways.
Deportation can often be a death-penalty.
dude come on, that is so lame, seriously, deportation doesn't have to end in death, abortions do, it's not even a comparison or argument.
punishment imposed on the woman should also be imposed on the man (for their irresponsible behavior).
there isn't any punishment for the woman, except for some extremely old cases (2 or 3) there never has been
(IFF) abortion = murder (THEN) miscarriage = manslaughter.
that's just retarded, death of natural causes DOES NOT = manslaughter
would the doctor get prison time or just loose is licence and ability to practice medicine in that state? I'm not sure what the proposed punishment is, I haven't looked into it that deeply.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I really wish the retard would stop referring to things Grey Parrot is saying to me.
lol ikr, he sure is "special"
You can drink and do drugs if pregnant as long as you are not using illegal ones. We have all kinds of clients on subutex and suboxone legally who are pregnant and we can't do anything about it.
you are right, but after delivery on the other hand....depends on the state of course.
(2015) Tennessee became the first state to define drug use during pregnancy as a crime. Women whose newborns test positive for narcotic drugs can be charged with assault and punished with up to 15 years in prison.
And I would say law enforcement does get involved when they are court ordered into treatment programs.
although it's from 1992
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
would the doctor get prison time or just loose is licence and ability to practice medicine in that state? I'm not sure what the proposed punishment is, I haven't looked into it that deeply.
If Alabama’s near-ban on abortion takes effect, performing an abortion would become a Class A felony, which carries a minimum sentence of 10 years in prison — the same minimum sentence as severe sex crimes like first-degree rape and sexual torture, under Alabama law. [LINK]
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
(IFF) abortion = murder (THEN) miscarriage = manslaughter.that's just retarded, death of natural causes DOES NOT = manslaughter
(IFF) embryo/fetus = child (THEN) embryo/fetus malnutrition, alcohol poisoning, reckless endangerment leading to death = child malnutrition, alcohol poisoning, reckless endangerment leading to death.
If you saw a dead baby on the side of the road, would you ASSUME it probably died of natural causes?
Some miscarriages may be unpreventable, but many are preventable. Only a team of forensic detectives can tell the difference.
Preventable miscarriage = child abuse and murder/manslaughter.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
would the doctor get prison time or just loose is licence and ability to practice medicine in that state? I'm not sure what the proposed punishment is, I haven't looked into it that deeply.
10 to 99. I believe the law is designed as a statement piece to say "this is a human being". It takes effect in 6 months according to my sources
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Deportation can often be a death-penalty.dude come on, that is so lame, seriously, deportation doesn't have to end in death, abortions do, it's not even a comparison or argument.
After Guerrero, 28, was detained by ICE in March, his wife told officials that if Guerrero was deported, he would be murdered. Despite her warning, ICE deported Guerrero in June. After being kidnapped in front of his family by armed men, Guerrero’s body was found last week on the side of a road in San Luis de la Paz, Guanajuato, near where he had lived with his wife’s family since being deported, the Austin American-Statesman reported. It is believed the same gangs that prompted the family’s move to Austin are the ones responsible for his murder. [LINK]
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@3RU7AL
@Snoopy
10 to 99. I believe the law is designed as a statement piece to say "this is a human being". It takes effect in 6 months according to my sources
oh I know this is all about forcing the Supreme Court's hand which is a great idea and I'm fine with that. Also there's the State's rights issue to be considered as well. Was it Missouri or some state declared all federal gun laws void, something to that effect, that also is a good thing imo.
3BU7AL It is believed the same gangs that prompted the family’s move to Austin are the ones responsible for his murder.
you are really off your game, 2 people having consensual sex isn't anything remotely related to someone being in the country illegally or determined by a court to have insufficient reason to stay in the U.S.
How many deportations directly cause a death and how many abortions directly cause a death?
Preventable miscarriage = child abuse and murder/manslaughter.
Preventable miscarriage = D.N.R.
links in #141 btw
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
you are really off your game, 2 people having consensual sex isn't anything remotely related to someone being in the country illegally or determined by a court to have insufficient reason to stay in the U.S.
These conversations have been largely theoretical, devoid of names and faces. No U.S. government body monitors the fate of deportees, and immigrant-aid groups typically lack the resources to document what happens to those who have been sent back. Fear of retribution keeps most grieving families from speaking publicly. In early 2016, as the director of the Global Migration Project, at Columbia University’s Graduate School of Journalism, I set out, with a dozen graduate students, to create a record of people who had been deported to their deaths or to other harms—a sort of shadow database of the one that the Trump Administration later compiled to track the crimes of “alien offenders.” We contacted more than two hundred local legal-aid organizations, domestic-violence shelters, and immigrants’-rights groups nationwide, as well as migrant shelters, humanitarian operations, law offices, and mortuaries across Central America. We spoke to families of the deceased. And we gathered the stories of immigrants who had endured other harms—including kidnapping, extortion, and sexual assault—as a result of deportations under Obama and Trump.
As the database grew to include more than sixty cases, patterns emerged. Often, immigrants or their families had warned U.S. officials that they were in danger if sent back. Ana Lopez, the mother of a twenty-year-old gay asylum seeker named Nelson Avila-Lopez, wrote a letter to the U.S. government during Christmas week in 2011, two months after Immigration and Customs Enforcement accidentally deported him to Honduras. Nelson had fled the country at seventeen, after receiving gang threats. He’d entered the U.S. unauthorized and been ordered removed, but an immigration judge then granted him an emergency stay of his deportation so that he could reopen his case for asylum. An ice agent told his family’s legal team that Nelson was deported because “someone screwed up,” and ice alleges that the proper office had not been notified of the judge’s stay. [LINK]
How many deportations directly cause a death and how many abortions directly cause a death?
There is no mechanism to protect the safety of deportees. Abortion deaths can be eliminated if we invest in ectogenesis technology.
Preventable miscarriage = child abuse and murder/manslaughter.Preventable miscarriage = D.N.R.
An embryo/fetus cannot sign a D.N.R.
A preventable death in a hospital environment is considered criminal malpractice and wrongful death.
(IFF) embryo/fetus = child (THEN) there is no reason to treat a preventable miscarriage any differently than any other preventable death.
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@3RU7AL
These conversations have been largely theoretical
they are and have to be since we are not on the Supreme Court nor are we mind readers and fortune tellers.
An embryo/fetus cannot sign a D.N.R.
you don't know what a D.N.R. is then or how they work, medical power of attorney etc it's all related.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
An embryo/fetus cannot sign a D.N.R.you don't know what a D.N.R. is then or how they work, medical power of attorney etc it's all related.
If someone poisons or otherwise neglects their child to death (preventable miscarriage), a D.N.R. will not fix the problem.
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@3RU7AL
If someone poisons or otherwise neglects their child to death (preventable miscarriage), a D.N.R. will not fix the problem.
sure but you didn't qualify it the first time so......
to prevent a miscarriage a woman may have to stay off her feet for months, she may wish not to do that and let nature take it's course, aka DNR