Basically asking Virtuoso since he blocked anyone commenting on my last threat about Wylted.
New to the site and want to know what is deemed inappropriate on this site?
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@TheRealNihilist
Since you don't identify as a 'special snowflake hating' conservative, I'm curious why you thought asking in such a public manner such a sensitive topic on an already-closed thread was appropriate?
You didn't ask if he'd done it either, which would still be insensitive but more naive. You asked 'why does he want to, just wondering give me a quick reason herpaderp?' and clearly you were asking about his reason in third person, not even intending for him to tell you why.
VIrtuoso is the only person on this website with any authority who is actually good at what he does. I don't care if the Admin gets offended by this and I couldn't give a single iota of a shit if bsh1 takes offence to it; he should to be quite frank. Virtuoso is the only one moderating the fucking website, the rest are all posers (including Castin and Tejretics). He is literally the only one of the team of official leaders who regularly cares about and interacts with us. You make an enemy of him, you make an enemy of me and you do not want to be fucking with me, boy.
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@RationalMadman
I'm curious why you thought asking in such a public manner such a sensitive topic on an already-closed thread was appropriate?
Guess Wylted was public about it and since that discussion was read-only I couldn't ask. I didn't know the Virtuoso was the one who did that. I thought Wylted was the one who made it read only. I have sent a message also asking Wylted. Guess I should have done that to begin with. Didn't know you can send private messages to anyone. Guess this is different to DDO when most people have private messages blocked.
You didn't ask if he'd done it either
If he done it he would be d***. Am I reading what you said wrong?
'why does he want to, just wondering give me a quick reason herpaderp?
Don't see how that compares to what I actually said which was "Why does Wylted want to k*** h******?
VIrtuoso is the only person on this website with any authority who is actually good at what he does.
I asked Virtuoso because that was the person who made it read-only.
give a single iota of a shit if bsh1 takes offence to it
If bsh1 is so bad why doesn't the Admin do something about it?
Virtuoso is the only one moderating the fucking website, the rest are all posers (including Castin and Tejretics). He is literally the only one of the team of official leaders who regularly cares about and interacts with us.
If Virtuoso is the only who really supports the site why don't you help Virtuoso out? Instead of insulting why not have the authority to do it yourself?
You make an enemy of him, you make an enemy of me and you do not want to be fucking with me, boy.
What did I say that can suggest I am an "enemy"?
Since you are not someone who can kick me off this site you would either go to Virtuoso to ban me or send me insults. I don't really care about insults but I guess I do care about being banned but you don't have the authority to do so.
If I am wrong with what can you do: What would you do if I f***ed with Virtuoso?
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@TheRealNihilist
What did I say that can suggest I am an "enemy"?Since you are not someone who can kick me off this site you would either go to Virtuoso to ban me or send me insults. I don't really care about insults but I guess I do care about being banned but you don't have the authority to do so.If I am wrong with what can you do: What would you do if I f***ed with Virtuoso?
If bsh1 is so bad why doesn't the Admin do something about it?I don't care if the Admin gets offended by this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If Virtuoso is the only who really supports the site why don't you help Virtuoso out? Instead of insulting why not have the authority to do it yourself?
I do many things behind the scenes. Helping many of the team do their jobs, even got temp-banned part way through it for getting involved with highly toxic gang-mentality bullies but one by one they either learned to be tame and play nice or ran off screaming 'fuck DebateArt it's full of lunatics and crap mods waaaaa waaa' I know what shit modding is, this is not shit modding. This is pretty fucking good modding compared to anywhere else on the entire Internet and I am a huge reason for that. Virtuoso and I see eye to eye a lot behind the scenes and I also am helping the Admin with glitches of the site along with Ramshutu and Virtuoso in a way that I won't explain. Oh Bsh1 is invited to that group as is Tejretics, they're just doing nothing.
I know a lot about the site because I care deeply about it and about online debating having a site that balances the right to express obnoxious opinions with good moderating to avoid too much hate speech or bullying. This isn't contradictory, this is called being sensible but loving debating as a sport in spite of that sensibility.
You have a lot to learn if you think I'm useless or powerless on this website, but as long as you're kind to the users you have nothing to fear.
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@RationalMadman
What was the point of wasting your time to waste my time?
Why can't you do something about this? You are defending Virtuoso so I am assuming you two are on good terms. Why can't you ask Virtuoso to do something? Why can't simply say exactly instead of sending me a link to it?
Virtuoso and I see eye to eye a lot behind the scenes and I also am helping the Admin with glitches of the site along with Ramshutu and Virtuoso in a way that I won't explain. Oh Bsh1 is invited to that group as is Tejretics, they're just doing nothing.
Can I help? airmax1227 is not really replying to me on DDO (normally airmax1227 comes on every 3 days but airmax1227 has not been on for 2 weeks) so can I help here?
having a site that balances the right to express obnoxious opinions with good moderating to avoid too much hate speech or bullying.
I am not a free speech absolutist because false information does damage whatever it touches.
this is called being sensible but loving debating as a sport in spite of that sensibility.
I think it would be more sensible to not allow Type1 to not talk about conspiracy theories but maybe just is just me. See my comments to what I think here: https://www.debateart.com/debates/633
You have a lot to learn if you think I'm useless or powerless on this website
Not powerless just assuming you don't have the authority to ban me.
but as long as you're kind to the users you have nothing to fear.
It depends really. If they are kind to me and don't frustrate for being logically inconsistent or fallacious without noticing and admitting to it then I am okay.
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@TheRealNihilist
The admin here isn't Heir Max, Max is long gone (or good at lying, which he is, and keeping us fooled). The admin here goes by Mike and says he's Serbian.
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@TheRealNihilist
If they are kind to me and don't frustrate for being logically inconsistent or fallacious without noticing and admitting to it then I am okay.
I know entirely what you are referring to here (in a very big picture sense) and this was the biggest thing I revolutionised in the moderation process here. I exposed people who came over from DDO and specialised in bringing out the absolute worst in others in a very tactical way. They were impossible to pin down if you only focused on single-posts but once context came into view and frequency, the mods began to agree with me (and of course themselves concluded a lot behind the scenes without consulting me as they are in charge in the end) and things happened. The users who turn their enemies (and neutrals) into terrible users are the second-worst kind of rule-breaker there is (the worst will always be the real-life-identity revealers and threateners).
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@TheRealNihilist
I am aware that recently Type1 has become severely rule-breaking. Trust me, I am aware. I cannot say anything more as it may or may not constitute a threat. He needs to learn to control his anger.
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@RationalMadman
The admin here isn't Heir Max, Max is long gone (or good at lying, which he is, and keeping us fooled). The admin here goes by Mike and says he's Serbian.
Why did he make the site if he doesn't even bother to care about it? Ads?
I exposed people who came over from DDO and specialised in bringing out the absolute worst in others in a very tactical way.
The denial is what gets me or the way in which they do not even admit when they are wrong.
users are the second-worst kind of rule-breaker there is (the worst will always be the real-life-identity revealers and threateners).
How do they do that? If it is a secret can you tell me in a private message? If it is a super secret please can you tell me?
He needs to learn to control his anger.
Can't you ban him for a few days so that Type1 has time to reflect and not do what Type1 did?
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@TheRealNihilist
Max isn't the admin on DDO either, he is sort of the highest rank a Mod can be without being an actual admin. He can't fully access behind the site, only partially. The company the owned it, Juggle, has liquidated and the new name of the company is actually yet to be revealed to the website (which still says it's owned by them), it's all a mystery in that regard. Airmax was never a full-on employee of them, I do not know the details but he had some kind of contract to say he won't abuse his rights as an admin to ruin their site's reputation but the details of it I don't know. He worked honestly without any paychecks, it was a voluntary job but it was far from noble when you know what I know about he ran things there. It was his playground and he was the daddy on campus... Except he wasn't and let people run riot if they were popular enough. Eventually he stopped giving a shit. His relation with 'Juggle' is unknown at this point but he still seems to have some obligation to log in now and again (but ignores PMs as you noticed).
Doxxing can't be done to everyone by everyone even if they 'knew how'. It involves abusing trust, garnering data and being a sociopath among other things.
I can't discuss mod actions as not only am I not a mod and will get punished for threatening with mod action but I also know that such dealings are entirely private until the ban itself happens (you can only ask details about a ban post-ban, until then you have no right to ask the mods about their dealing with a user that's become the agreed norm here).
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@RationalMadman
Guess I am safe. Thought there was a really good hacker.It involves abusing trust, garnering data and being a sociopath among other things.
I can't discuss mod actions as not only am I not a mod and will get punished for threatening with mod action but I also know that such dealings are entirely private until the ban itself happens
So how would I know the punishment without knowing what can happen? So basically you can't even disclose that you have a permanent ban option, temporary ban option etc?
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@TheRealNihilist
Yeah, that's why I spend every evening working on it without making any penny outta it - because I don't even bother to care about it.Why did he make the site if he doesn't even bother to care about it? Ads?
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@DebateArt.com
Tell me, do you care about it? Why did you make bsh1 mod and what has he done to earn his keep?
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@DebateArt.com
Why is Virtuoso not the chief moderator but bsh1 is, based on objectively verifiable data and analysis of their performance and user-appeal over time?
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@DebateArt.com
I am not saying this to troll you, I want to understand a non-ethang5 theory about why you favour bsh1.
Hey it's omar.
You were on DDO during it's shit
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@DebateArt.com
Then what is your incentive in making this site? If I was you I would have ads. Non-intrusive so that you can fund the site with the site instead of externally. I am guessing donating doesn't work out.I can't discuss mod actions as not only am I not a mod and will get punished for threatening with mod action but I also know that such dealings are entirely private until the ban itself happens
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@TheRealNihilist
It's basically whatever they seem deemable of what is bad or not. Idek why my stuff is bad but I live with it. Just remember this site isnt your life
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@Vader
Hey it's omar.
Who are you? Sorry I seriously don't know.
You were on during it's shit
What is "it's shit"?
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@TheRealNihilist
Who are you? Sorry I seriously don't know.
What is "it's shit"?
DDO bullshit website problems and spam
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@Vader
So you are one of them? Can't you discuss with RationalMadman in private messaging in order to understand why RM thinks you are bad?Idek why my stuff is bad but I live with it.
Just remember this site isnt your life
Doesn't me you can half-a** your job if you are doing it.
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@Vader
You are him correct
Yes how do you know how I am? I would like to know what people think of me or remember me for.
That is goes to my DDO profile.
DDO bullshit website problems and spam
Yeah. Would like to help but airmax1227 doesn't respond.
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@Vader
Oh beast boy.
That is what I remember about you and you said rip profile pics for some reason.
How do you know me from that?
Is there something else?
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@TheRealNihilist
Personal interest. Not only I like the idea, I get to play with coding a lot, trying different practices and whatnot.Then what is your incentive in making this site? If I was you I would have ads. Non-intrusive so that you can fund the site with the site instead of externally. I am guessing donating doesn't work out.
Ads are useless, we live in the era of AdBlock.
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@RationalMadman
That was long time ago and both mods are doing good job, in my opinion.
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@DebateArt.com
Personal interest. Not only I like the idea, I get to play with coding a lot, trying different practices and whatnot.Ads are useless, we live in the era of AdBlock.
Surely you can't deny the site does cost money you require money for your personal interest right?
Ads are not useless. There is always some people who don't use it and that would bring in money and if you have enough people on Patreon remove it and stick to that.
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@DebateArt.com
Why are you trying to undermine what you just said with "in my opinion"?That was long time ago and both mods are doing good job, in my opinion.
Are you not sure that you are correct with what you are asserting?
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@TheRealNihilist
A primary reason that some users were underpunished and others were overpunished is that Virtuoso needs to ask Bsh1 to actually do official bans, official deleting of things that are not votes and many other underlying factors.
Virtuoso is on bi-daily at a bare minimum and more commonly daily and completely cares about victims of anything (even site mechanics) ready to help them. Bsh1 has repeatedly been found to be callous to users, the primary one in my book being Raltar who was a fantastic user of the site that I bonded with instantly and who quit in a rage due to Bsh1. Virtuoso is literally always ALWAYS correct on how to moderate and Bsh1 constantly undermines him (because he has the rank to do so) and yet is on once every four days and often just says 'tell me what to look at, Virt.' I don't have proof of this last part but this is the general attitude he displays to most in public.
I do not care if you think I'm lying, I am speaking the truth as I've seen it so far.
Bsh1 has this phobia of saying "I am in charge, obey." that Virtuoso equally seems to possess. The difference is that Virtuoso disciplines in spite of having this tendency, and is unable to bring himself to challenge Bsh1 for the rank of Chief Moderator because he deeply admires Bsh1 and the friendship they've formed being the 2 'kings' of this site. It is very wrong what manipulation is happening, but I don't know what to say to stop it. We have a person in charge who delegates everything to the second-in-command and takes all the credit for it as it's him who does the official banning and him who does the official MEEP votes.
Virtuoso is always correct on how to moderate but not always correct on when to moderate without concrete evidence, that is something I want to make clear isn't a contradiction.
This place is shady as fuck and now someone admits to being a "secret mod" No one mods here but Bsh. Not the owner, not the other mods. It's a shit show.