Friendship ended with Drumpf. Now: Andrew Yang is my best friend

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Andrew Yang is the only democratic candidate to ascend to the god tier level. 

Tulsi and Bernie are in the "you aight" tier. 

The rest are cringe tier. 

What makes American Andy so great? 

1) He's promised us all NEETbux 

UBI is the wrong answer to the right question--how do we as a society reckon with coming technological changes that threaten to radically change the job market? This has happened before--see the Industrial Revolution which, while ultimately a very good thing, caused a lot of unnecessary misery among the rural English peasant class that could've been avoided had it been implemented better. He is getting the ball rolling on this extremely important question

2) He cares about all Americans 

American Andy speaks about white people dying of drug overdoses more kindly than any Republican politician (even though 90% of their voters are white) ever has. Moreover this is not a dog whistle. He is not some sort of white nationalist (obviously) he just genuinely cares about the American people, ~60% of whom are white. He has a chance of actually uniting the country in some way 

3) He's promised us all gf's

...probably

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the Industrial Revolution which, while ultimately a very good thing
Where I stopped reading

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sorry i meant to say "which has been a disaster for the human race"
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Drumpf is still in the god tier, if only for how much he makes my enemies angry, but he is in serious danger of slipping into the "you aight" tier if he doesn't get anything else done. i will treasure the laughs from his campaign forever, but i didn't vote for him just for a tax cut
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I'm old enough where it does not matter anymore to me who gets elected. There will always be states in the union stupid enough to subsidize my decadent, lazy lifestyle where I work 15 hours a week and still have a positive flow into my bank account due mostly to scamming the social safety net by pretending to be a needy person instead of a lazy person.

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To be fair to drumpf, he actually hasn’t done as bad as I’m making it seem. Let’s grade him on the “big three” populist issues:

Trade: A.

He’s doing fantastic things in this respect, and making a noticeable difference. Jobs actually are coming back and China is losing the trade war badly (after all, they are good and easy to win) 

Foreign War: B- 

His biggest failure here is the refusal to withdraw from Afghanistan. Kids who were in diapers when 9/11 happened are coming home in body bags, and all I’ve ever heard about long term strategy is whatever dumb fucking one liner Mattis would come up with when asked. However I’m proud of him for refusing to topple Assad and for earnestly seeking peace with North Korea. 

Immigration: C

It would be lower, but he is extremely hamstrung by universal opposition to his immigration policies by the democrats, the rest of the republicans, and federal judges who have far out stepped their boundaries (for example, declaring by judicial fiat that DACA negotiations are over.) 

However he still dropped the ball hard in many ways. A quiet meeting with Paul Ryan and Cocaine Mitch in 2017 where he said he would veto any tax cuts that came before the wall would’ve gotten him the wall. And his recent rhetoric about how we need more legal immigration is cringe their 

Why am I more excited about Yang than Drumpf? Drumpf already accomplished his main job when he won. He turned the Republican Party into something I like. Now it’s time for American Andy to do the same for the Democratic Party 
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You sir are a legend, keep on grifting 
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I bought 5000 ripple coins with the money I saved with food assistance.

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Trade: B+ (He got a better NAFTA deal, but tariffs and even recip tariffs are harmful to the econ)
Foreign: A-/B+. I think he has done a good job telling Syria to stop fucking around or we will fucking wreck yo shit and trying to get Rocket Man Kim to try to denuclearize.
Immigration: B: Border officials want the wall, but it is too must dough to pay. Calling a National Emergency over it is too extra and sets a bad president of example

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I wan't a Democrat candidate that makes me things their part isn't a bunch of pussy ass socialists that want to make my family go broke to give it to Lil Gangbanger that shoots people
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...I think I like this guy, just going by a quick search. He doesn't seem to believe or espouse anything crazy. UBI is not crazy if done as a last resort response to the Singularity, though ultimately America is screwed either way. There's no way around that except an international treaty to keep humans squarely in charge, but that's not going to happen except at nukepoint. A leader with much more reckless abandon than Trump.
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Automation+UBI will create a situation where companies are kept afloat by consumers, who are supplier with cash by the income taxes from the companies.
The incentive would be to relocate to countries with cheaper taxes. The government would try to prevent this by restricting access to the American consumer market. But anyone on earth can consume just the same. If at some point the American people collectively ran out of cash, the companies could bolt, as there'd be no market that they wouldn't have to pay for first. All national consumer markets would eventually become equal in some economic equivalent to entropy. All of the world's people would be equally poor, with the obvious exception of those few who had a share in the companies.
When GDP per capita for the average American is the same for, say, the average guy in Africa, well, Africans far outnumber us so conventional wisdom would suggest that what was formerly the third world would be richer than us by virtue of sheer numbers. That, combined with a global uniformity of culture brought about by consumerism, would eliminate all effective barriers to a single global government, where the interests of the former first world are those of the powerless minority.
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This thread is filled with conservative sheep.
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Aight? I can get behind this:


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You’re right that tariffs are “bad” for the economy in the sense that they impose costs on the consumer and the corporation but you’re looking at it wrong. The point of tariffs is to impose a small cost on a large group of people that provide huge benefits for a smaller group—it’s a trade off. For example, would you pay an additional $2 for your blender if you knew that it meant that 10,000 of your fellow Americans, who would otherwise be unemployed, would have jobs making said blender? I suspect the answer is yes, even though from an economic perspective the total “cost” of everyone paying an extra $2 probably outweighs the 10,000 jobs. Are the actual trade offs this simple? Obviously not, but this is the general principle we’re working with which is why I hate the economics 101 response of “Well tariffs are a tax on the CONSUMER so check mate protectionists!” Because okay, yeah, there is a cost to the consumer. But it’s entirely possible that it’s worth it. 

Not accusing you of doing that but that’s generally the level of arguments you get on this. When it comes to China in particular we buy massive amounts of products from them, and all they really buy from us are agricultural products which: 1) there is a large demand for elsewhere, 2) are (politically) very easy for the US to subsidize and 3) price of food going up in China = huge political pressure to make a deal. We have all the leverage, and when they do come to a deal China is going to make some serious concessions. 

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I don’t actually think automation will destroy all the jobs—look at the modern economy, I would say that at least a third of jobs just didn’t exist even a few decades ago. Things constantly change. HOWEVER automation/AI is probably is going to change the economy more quickly and more profoundly than your standard background technological change so it’s something that needs to be addressed. Yang is the only one trying to address this
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I am with your Luddite crew and Andy when it comes to fucking automated cars and even houses will become entirely automated death traps if hacked. It's getting to a level where illuminati won't watch you when you use a phone or computer, your car and house will watch you for them. This is the utter hilt of corruption and mind-dulling needed before 1984 sets in. No doubt I am with you on this, but really? A machine taking a job away from a factory worker is a blessing to humankind, get a grip.
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yeah, people putting all this “smart” equipment in their house is ridiculous. Not only are things like Alexa effectively spy devices but all of that stuff screams HACKABLE to me. like is it so hard to just use your garage door remote? Does it really have to be hooked up to some random, hackable app on your phone? 

A machine taking a job away from a factory worker is a blessing to humankind, get a grip.
If that factory worker is now freed up to do something more productive or fulfilling that’s definitely true. But in the status quo long term unemployment is one of the worst things that can happen to someone and can be totally ruinous. Basically any job is better than long term unemployment. I have a lot of ideas for how to deal with this that I think would be better than UBI but Yang is getting the ball rolling on this question which is very important 
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Yes and if you read 1984 (masterpiece but gets boring in the middle, I admit I didn't make it all the way through) it hints strongly at the idea that the rise to power I solved lots of "let the machine help you, let us watch you for your own safety" etc.
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Why is it more appropriate to the main thread than the politics thread?
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because it's a thread about my best friend, and i'm a DART member
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*rolls eyes*

I'll switch it for a few days, to generate activity, but it's gonna end up here, in the politics forum, in the end.
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guys i got a robot hating debate due in 4 hours, pls halp with luddite propaganda
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me luv u long time if u do
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1) He's promised us all NEETbux 

UBI is the wrong answer to the right question--how do we as a society reckon with coming technological changes that threaten to radically change the job market? This has happened before--see the Industrial Revolution which, while ultimately a very good thing, caused a lot of unnecessary misery among the rural English peasant class that could've been avoided had it been implemented better. He is getting the ball rolling on this extremely important question
This is actually a very good point. To focus on one strand of your point: In the near future, we're going to have technological advances make manual labour obsolete.

For example, for the people with I.Q. lower than 81, which prevents them from joining the military (wherein the military wants as many people as it can possibly get -- sub 81 I.Q. are too stupid for some of the most desperate employers), what are they going to do? They're too stupid to do even the easiest of jobs requiring a very basic mental capacity, and so if manual labouring jobs were to go, where do they go?

2) He cares about all Americans 

American Andy speaks about white people dying of drug overdoses more kindly than any Republican politician (even though 90% of their voters are white) ever has. Moreover this is not a dog whistle. He is not some sort of white nationalist (obviously) he just genuinely cares about the American people, ~60% of whom are white. He has a chance of actually uniting the country in some way 
This is not going to be effective. People, in general, care far more about their racial collective, than they do their country. People aren't going to vote for him purely because he's Asian. The U.S. is never going to be united because people's inherent racial bias towards their own kinds takes precedence.