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Free will was just invented to put blame on individual for anything he does, but it is not only an unproved theory, but there is plenty of proof against it.

Individual's knowledge, intelligence, decisions and ability to make decisions are all greatly affected by his environment and genes, neither being under his control.
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This is true BK.

Everything that occurs, occurs for a reason.

No such thing as spontaneity.
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This is true BK
I dont know who this "BK" dude is, but I agree with anyone who thinks that I am right.

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Everything that occurs, occurs for a reason.

There is a cause > effect > resultant of Julia's walks and talks she created in ....' Best British Walks '...  on Prime video.  I enjoyed most  the four sets of  walks after the first coastal walk. The series ends with Isle of Man ...blustery winds at the top.... and largest functional water wheel in the world.

A few times watching, I had a resultant  feel some emotional tears wanting to begin somewhere in or around my eyes etc.  I think it was because I know I wont ever to take some of the scenic walks in UK, nor the ones Ive had in USA over the years.

This link has many other walks also...." Britain’s 100 Favourite Walks with Julia Bradbury "... Not sure how to access them yet.  If money, I probably cant watch them. 

Awoke this AM remembering a mystery/crime secret agent ---regarding IRA  vs British-- in a novel I read involving Isle of Man and that whole area.  Makes me want to see if I still have that novel to read again.

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For sure.

You became TheGreatSunGod for a reason.

All that occurs because of the Sun that occurs because of.
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Julia Bradbury, thinking mans crumpet. 

Been very ill though.

Admirable person.
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You became TheGreatSunGod for a reason
Yes, to praise the unstoppable Sun.

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Been very ill though. Admirable person.

Yeah read about the cancer and mastectomy.  
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Free will was just invented to put blame on individual for anything he does, but it is not only an unproved theory, but there is plenty of proof against it.

Individual's knowledge, intelligence, decisions and ability to make decisions are all greatly affected by his environment and genes, neither being under his control.
You didn't write this post; it was in the stars 14 billion years ago?

Is that what you are saying?
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You didn't write this post; it was in the stars 14 billion years ago?

Is that what you are saying?
I am just a human being programmed to do what I do. Kinda like computer program, but way more nasty.
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Free will is the only assurance in the universe because the Earth was created imperfectly for a purpose: that we choose by free will to improve it ourselves and deliver it back to God in a perfect state, for that is the dominion God granted to us to perform, and he did not guarantee we would succeed. That, too, is on us, entirely.

Lex potest cogere justum res.   The law can compel to do just, and therefore, righteous things.
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Person's choice is contingent upon knowledge, and knowledge is limited and contingent on environment and person's genes and brain structure, thus choice itself is contingent and not free.
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Lex potest cogere justum res
Nulla est mendaciorum copia, quae veritatem improbare possit.
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Interesting. So God created something imperfect? How do you explain that one when it would imply an imperfection on His part which mean He would not be God?
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Person's choice is contingent on....  
...and that contingent on... and that contingent on... ad nauseas.

Tell me based on what knowledge a newborn infant chooses to  cry - a reaction to both internal and external stimulus. That it chooses to do so is clear; the infant cries. But, based on knowledge? Nope. Environment? Maybe. 

person's genes and brain structure,
Nope, no "and." Your genome and mine, and everyone else's determine structure of all bodily systems., many of which are autonomic - no choice required. But all choice is freely made, even if we are prevented from acting on choice. Neither God nor the universe messes with free agency. We choose to be righteous; we choose to be evil.
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Nulla est mendaciorum copia, quae veritatem improbare possit.
Therefore...?  η αλήθεια θα σε κάνει ελεύθερο
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So God created something imperfect? 
What do you think death is? The entire creation of heaven and earth is to an interim, imperfect  purpose, to be resolved by our efforts in free agency and dominion to return a heaven and earth, and all in it/them to God in perfection. We do that, not God. We will learn how to achieve perfection, and then make it happen by his instructions. We, after all, need to learn to become like him. How do we do that if he does everything for us? It is not God who is imperfect for creating imperfection.  This is an eternally repeating process. God was once likes us; imperfect, and mortal. He also had a God in a heaven above him, who created his "heaven and earth... and so on...
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We don’t choose our genetics, upbringing, or circumstances, and these all shape our choices.

Tell me based on what knowledge a newborn infant chooses to  cry
Knowledge gained from environment or genes, or found in brain structure, usually when wanting something and  knowing it is not there.

But all choice is freely made
Unproved claim, I already provided plenty of proof against this.
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 I already provided plenty of proof against this.
You have offered personal opinion, and nothing more.  I prefer my view, because I remain in charge of me by my assertion of free agency and dominion of Earth.
The results of your opinion is personal defeat. 

Knowledge gained from environment or genes, or found in brain structure, usually when wanting something and  knowing it is not there.
Tell me what infant told you that little gem, considering:
"...the newborn infant can be awake, exhibit sensory awareness, and process memorized mental representations. It is also able to differentiate between self and nonself touch, express emotions, and show signs of shared feelings. Yet, it is unreflective, present oriented, and makes little reference to concept of him/herself. Newborn infants display features characteristic of what may be referred to as basic consciousness and they still have to undergo considerable maturation to reach the level of adult consciousness. The preterm infant, ex utero, may open its eyes and establish minimal eye contact with its mother. It also shows avoidance reactions to harmful stimuli. However, the thalamocortical connections are not yet fully established, which is why it can only reach a minimal level of consciousness."
In other words, boyo, your "wanting something and knowing it is not there" is your personal wish balloon. Keep blowing, it needed more bozone..
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Everything happens for a reason. No choice is uncaused.
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What do you think death is?
Not a creation. It is what we call a privation in philosophy. They cannot be created ex nihilo. they have to be caused in something. 

The entire creation of heaven and earth is to an interim, imperfect  purpose, to be resolved by our efforts in free agency and dominion to return a heaven and earth, and all in it/them to God in perfection. 
Now this is definitely more fascinating! I do not mean that sarcastically I am actually quite interested in what you mean here.

The thing is when you say: "imperfect purpose" that could mean two things. Imperfect in its becoming or imperfect in it being known. Or more simply: imperfect because it hasn't happened yet or imperfect because we do not know the end in its entirety. Which do you mean?

This is an eternally repeating process. God was once likes us; imperfect, and mortal. He also had a God in a heaven above him, who created his "heaven and earth... and so on...
This definitely wrong because one: infinite regress is not possible. Two: God has to have always been God in order to be God. One does not become God. That is not possible.

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privation in philosophy.
My understand of privation is that one's needs and wants are simply unavailable, and that this is a constant, i.e., never has been, is not, and never will be available. Death is deprivation; i.e.,  needs and wants have been and are available, but ultimately will not be available, primarily because body systems do not sustain throughout life. At a cellular nucleus level, the telomeres, the protective "sleeves" at the ends of the DNA double helix in each nucleus breaks down and cannot be repaired, interrupting normal bodily function, allowing aging  and death to occur; something I endure, now., on my way to ultimate demise

imperfect purpose
By "imperfect purpose," I mean that God did not create perfect systems, and that was not a failure, but for a purpose. His purpose was for us, by free agency and dominion, to figure out how to improve the imperfections  we were given. Simple example. God made a simple box, and this represents the Earth and all that is n it, for our use. Ir has a bottom and four perpendicular sides. Maybe the sides are not all the same size, or some sides have holes in them. It's our job to apply critical thinking to improve the box, ultimately to be a better container to protect all that is in it - maybe even by adding a lid. We are supposed to return Earth to God, beiter than we were given, thus proving our willingness to be obedient to him, and to improve ourselves [who are also imperfect]  and our box.

infinite regress is not possible
Sure it is. Get a sharper pencil with an infinitely smaller point. Why do we restrict ourselves thinking up [poorly] that we are limited? Why think that? "The greatest sin is to limit the Is. Don't" - Richard Bach. One idea is to consider perfection as a process rather than a destination. Some things we do are already done perfectly. The trick is to agh capability - an infinite process, not ever fully achieved. God is just further along on the same path. His God is father along than him, because we have progressively sharper pencils. And so on...

God has to have always been God in order to be God.
Who says that's his condition? Do they know what they're talking about, or is this just poor critical thinking? Progress What's wrong with a progressing God who is more perfect today than he was yesterday, last year, last epoque, last...   We progress, don't we? I'm smarter and more cap[able than I was twenty years ago, ands so on... Why not God?  Does God always act with all the power in his possession, or only the power needed to do stuff? Some stuff is more difficult that other stuff, just as we encounter stuff to do.
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My understand of privation is that one's needs and wants are simply unavailable, and that this is a constant, i.e., never has been, is not, and never will be available. Death is deprivation; i.e.,  needs and wants have been and are available, but ultimately will not be available, primarily because body systems do not sustain throughout life. At a cellular nucleus level, the telomeres, the protective "sleeves" at the ends of the DNA double helix in each nucleus breaks down and cannot be repaired, interrupting normal bodily function, allowing aging  and death to occur; something I endure, now., on my way to ultimate demise
A privation in philosophy is a lacking of proper being. Meaning it cannot exists by itself. Death is such. Evil is such. To say God created death is to say God created nothing.

y "imperfect purpose," I mean that God did not create perfect systems, and that was not a failure, but for a purpose. His purpose was for us, by free agency and dominion, to figure out how to improve the imperfections  we were given. Simple example. God made a simple box, and this represents the Earth and all that is n it, for our use. Ir has a bottom and four perpendicular sides. Maybe the sides are not all the same size, or some sides have holes in them. It's our job to apply critical thinking to improve the box, ultimately to be a better container to protect all that is in it - maybe even by adding a lid. We are supposed to return Earth to God, beiter than we were given, thus proving our willingness to be obedient to him, and to improve ourselves [who are also imperfect]  and our box.
Ok so purpose is imperfect because it is not yet completed. Ok that's fine. I do not disagree with that.

Sure it is. Get a sharper pencil with an infinitely smaller point. Why do we restrict ourselves thinking up [poorly] that we are limited? Why think that? "The greatest sin is to limit the Is. Don't" - Richard Bach. One idea is to consider perfection as a process rather than a destination. Some things we do are already done perfectly. The trick is to agh capability - an infinite process, not ever fully achieved. God is just further along on the same path. His God is father along than him, because we have progressively sharper pencils. And so on...
No, infinite regress is impossible. We can talk of hypothetical things in certain realms of knowledge like mathematics being infinite, but those are only analytical and not real and are limited by what we are studying.

Also, a thing is what it is. that puts a limit on it. Also, matter is limited by how it is organized. That puts a limit on it. We are limited by what we are meant to do (you cannot do everything in a lifetime). We also have only two parents and come from one place ultimately. That is a limit. 

We are defined by our limits. That is not a bad thing. In fact, If I did not have limits I would never rest content in a job well done, or in a life full of hard work and love for my family and spouse. I think the best thing in life is actually finding out that your limits went farther than you expected. But I would certainly be discouraged if there was no end or if I never found that limit. There is a saying that is rather stupid in my opinion: "There is no finish line." Which first makes me wonder why they put the period at the end of that quote and then why would anyone run that kind of metaphorical race? We act for an end. Always.

There is a book called "Who designed the Designer?" by Michael Augros. I think you would find it very fascinating.

God has to have always been God in order to be God.
Who says that's his condition? Do they know what they're talking about, or is this just poor critical thinking? Progress What's wrong with a progressing God who is more perfect today than he was yesterday, last year, last epoque, last...   We progress, don't we? I'm smarter and more cap[able than I was twenty years ago, ands so on... Why not God?  Does God always act with all the power in his possession, or only the power needed to do stuff? Some stuff is more difficult that other stuff, just as we encounter stuff to do.
Aristotle said that in his Metaphysics Book XII when discussing God. 

The thing is this. If you cannot see that there is an end, then of course, you will see God as something that can change. But that means that God is not All-Perfect, All-Knowing, All-Powerful and All-Loving. That means He is not God.

When We speak of God we speak of absolute, perfect and complete Being itself.
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Free will was just invented to put blame on individual for anything he does, but it is not only an unproved theory, but there is plenty of proof against it.

Individual's knowledge, intelligence, decisions and ability to make decisions are all greatly affected by his environment and genes, neither being under his control.
Free will exists. But it is up to us to exercise it.
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Interesting. So God created something imperfect?

Creator God is meta-space mind/intellect/conceptual fantasy.  Simple

Finite, occupied space Universe a God is tainted. Eternally off-center  --inward >then  outward > then inward etc---  ergo pulsations between various finite set of possible tranformations as this, that or other, eternally.

Symmetric perfection is finite set of meta-space physical laws and meta-space cosmic principles.
Symmetric perfections is the ideal ex a perfect circle-sphere is meta-space mind/intellect/concept.

Symmetric four line, semi-linear pattern
.0.................................6........................................12...............................................18
......1.....................5p........7p........................11p.........13p............................17p........
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Asymmetric four line pattern --inside-outed-- version of the above symmetric perfection of sine-wave

.....1.......................5p........7p.........................11p............13p.......................17p...........
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Number 9  --aka 9th nodal event---  is off center position/nodal event--  from a set of three nucleated triangles... \Y/... \Y/... 9... \Y/...., that, define the minimal tubular pulse of Universe, the quantum graviton-darkEon. 1 - 13p.

13p = off-center { numerical odd  number } numerical set

1} Ex the asymmetrical 12-around-1 equal,  radius spheres, that, define the asymmetrical Vector Equilibrium ---8 surface triangles and and 6 surface squares---. B Fuller commented that the VE is closet we ever knowing God, as has 24 equal length outer circumferential chords, balanced with its 24 equal length radii, when constructed from four circles or hexagons.  See grahic B  http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s04/figs/f5511.html


..." Tubulin dimers polymerize to form microtubules, which generally consist of 13 linear protofilaments assembled around a hollow core (Figure 11.37). The protofilaments, which are composed of head-to-tail arrays of tubulin dimers, are arranged in parallel. Consequently, microtubules (like actin filaments) are polar structures with two distinct ends: a fast-growing plus end and a slow-growing minus end. This polarity is an important consideration in determining the direction of movement along microtubules, just as the polarity of actin filaments defines the direction of myosin movement. "...

...Hammeroff and Penrose suggest microtublins in brain are a most significant to origins of biologic consciousness

3} as I speculate above, my  mentione of the  9th nodal event being odd-event-out within a 13p minimal, tubular, nucleated, quantum pulse of Universe, the graviton-darKeon.  

4} 13p is the 6th prime number ---2p, 3p,5p 7p, 11p, 13p---- ergo, associated with one of the most common biologic patterns found in nature. hexagonal based on triangular grids in brain for location finding in some mammals brains including humans

5} 13p is the fourth prime number in Fibbonacci sequence 0, 1, 1, 2p, 3p, 5p, 8, 13p, 21, 34...
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The claim that free will doesn't exist, often supported by scientific arguments, suggests that our actions are determined by prior causes, like biology, environment, and upbringing, rather than being freely chosen. 

Here's a breakdown of the arguments:
  • Determinism:
    This philosophical view posits that all events, including human actions, are causally determined by preceding events. 

  • Scientific Arguments:
    Some scientists, like Robert Sapolsky, argue that our actions are determined by a combination of biology, hormones, childhood experiences, and life circumstances, suggesting we are not free agents. 

  • Neuroscience:
    Advances in neuroscience, particularly neuroimaging, allow scientists to observe brain activity associated with decisions, leading to the idea that decisions are part of the mechanics of the material universe, where "free will" plays no role. 

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Well stated.
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To say God created death is to say God created nothing.
Death = nothing? Nope. Death is a process, like any other. It has a sequence of steps, all but one of which  occur during life, and only the last process step results in the consequence of the end of mortal life, but not the end of the spirit's life, which dosed not ever die. That which is nothing is, literally, ex nihilo.

No, infinite regress is impossible. We can talk of hypothetical things in certain realms of knowledge like mathematics being infinite, but those are only analytical and not real
Who says infinite regress is impossible? Non-infinate thinkers, that's who. Show me God's claim that infinite regress is impossible. Otherwise, that's as silly as claiming, today, the geocentricity of Earth relative to the universe, let alone to our solar system. That's just egocentricity.  What is unreal about analytics?  Are you claiming thought is not real?  That's just ex nihilo, as well. Creation [or, rather, organization of chaotic matter and energy]  is what makes thought reality.

Also, a thing is what it is. that puts a limit on it. Also, matter is limited by how it is organized. That puts a limit on it. We are limited by what we are meant to do (you cannot do everything in a lifetime). We also have only two parents and come from one place ultimately. That is a limit. 
I grant that  thinge have limits. But, no thing [an "it" grammatically] is a living presence. All living  beings [including plants] are eternal by regression and progression. They will always exist. They will change forms [for example, from spirit matter to physical matter] by form-changing which  is not a limitation. Life is not limited but by its form. I will never be a rose. Neither a rose, me, or anyone else. And our parents both have parents... and so on, and, therefore, that is not just one place, nor one set of parents.

"There is no finish line." 
I agree, and agree with your conclusion that the period is a finish line. But, relative to life, the statement is true. As I said, our life included for changes, but no living being has an end, ever. There are milestones, but they are merely a marker on the path, but do not define the entire path.

"Who designed the Designer?"
Concurrent with what I said previously, a father-figure Designer created God, our Designer. And, conditio0onal on worthiness for understanding how to apply the Design Rules, we ultimately become Designers, ourselves.

When We speak of God we speak of absolute, perfect and complete Being itself.
And as I mentioned before, what makes us think God's level of performance is  absolute - 

All-Perfect, All-Knowing, All-Powerful and All-Loving. That means He is not God.
Who decided to limit God like that? We did?  ROFL How do we, imperfect, incomplete, et al, beings decide to limit God, even by description of being "all-whatever," which implies he's at an end of his progression. We blind ourselves, and God to limited progression. Limited regress, too. How did we decide we had the authority to make such a claim? God calls himself "Eternal" and that implies an ever-sharp pencil. I believe him. And I believe in my own eternity and everyone else's eternity
[note the absence of the period]

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I disagree.

Determinism ...  Scientific Argument:... Neuroscience:...
All three are just limiting objections, and the third is merely a sub-set of the second, after all. But what science "concludes" is about as rational as science once concluded geocentricity, and now, climate crisis.

Earth is no more the center of the universe, let alone our solar system, than an argument that birds fly, camels walk, and, therefore, butterflies swim. Two factual arguments do not necessarily mean a third is also true, but that is the form of a syllogism, but incorrectly applied. And, both volcanism and "snowball earth" have concluded that our historic climate range has been far worse than ours, today, even within the advent of mammals [about 140M years ago], whose systems are virtually identical to human physiological systems, today. In other words, we can endure far worse climates than now, and can think of adaptations - not dependent on evolutionary adpaptations, to improve our survival. 
Therefore, what "science," today, says of free will totally ignores that the signals they read now by MRI, or other tech applied, and thinking these are determinism, or science, already deciding before we decide ignores the root of ambition, planning, and execution - the decision-making process of an advance human species. WE have ambition to achieve, WE make a plan, and only then, WE decide to act. That three-phase process is all in our own heads, not the universe. Science has just not caught up to reading correctly what they read. It's kind  of like our misunderstanding the First Amendment, which does not say, nor imply, "separation..." What it does say, in the Preamble is: "...a more perfect union."  That's the goal. No determined universe is going to force our hand to make that happen. We do so by our free will to make it happen, and whatever inputs we need, government or religion, or science, will work to help that accomplishment. Why separate them as if they can only exist autonomously?