Castlevania Mafia Endgame

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1st place: Town (Pie, Savant, Lunatic, Austin, Barney, Casey, That2)
2nd place: Mafia (Vader, WyIted)


Night Actions (NP1):

Casey Doctored Luna (automatically silenced by PBO)
Austin Followed Vader
That2 Tracked Casey
Vader Tailored Barney for Cop flip
Vader NK'd Barney


So... huh. This was going to get pretty crazy based on how things were set to play out. Barney wasn't aware of it, but he was a Hidden Sleepwalker, and RNG had him visiting Luna, so both Casey and Barney would have been Silenced if the latter hadn't been NK'd. Was interested to see how the PBO would work out, but things came to a head early in DP2 with Austin's result.

I do think the Follower in particular made this a kind of swingy game and this game certainly swung on it. If not for that result, I think Vader could have survived significantly longer and made more use of his varied roles. Scum had a lot of counters to the Follower - part of the point of having the Tailor in play for them was to give them cover if the Follower visited them, giving a different result that could uphold their claim - but I understand why they wouldn't have bet on Austin using it on Vader in NP1. I also aimed to give some villainous characters out to town to throw people a bit, and Drolta in particular was meant to be a stretch for town to buy along with Isaac (who was in this game - that was Pie's character).

As for claims, yeah, I do think it was risky for WyIted to go with the Captain who was by far the most minor character claim in the batch. The Miller was a risky gambit, but it could have paid off assuming it didn't become clear that there were two investigative roles already in play. The more surprising choice was to not just straight up claim Alucard. The split, if it isn't obvious, was the Tepes family vs. everyone, but I'm not convinced that would have been obvious even with the Dracula flip. I did let scum know that there wasn't a Cop in the game (I only let them ask about one role in return) because of the nature of the Tailor role I gave them (it could only modify roles, not affiliations - I felt like saying it could Tailor affiliation too would give them the impression that there was a Cop in the game, so I chose to put my thumb on the scale a bit instead).

It was a quick game, but oh well, I had fun making it and seeing everything come together. It was great revisiting all the quotes from the show. I promise I'll do this again sometime. Thanks again to Mharman for all his help designing the game, and I welcome any and all feedback on the design and execution.
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@Lunatic
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Endgame's up.
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Endgame for all.

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GG's all, I probably would have ended up pushing supa anyway, he was the next biggest FOS behind wylted last day phase for me at least
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Btw now I see why you were so defensive of the logic of why a cop with bad justification was likely to exist lmaoooo
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I don't think your reasons for following me for good. Call me salty but someone that confessed scum when the person had a scum read on them voting them is not opportunistic at all. Your logic is inherently flawed
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Yeah ultimately mafia got unlucky here, never trust chat GPT lol
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He wasn't actually a cop. I tailored him to be a cop 
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Following you still made sense absent of that, in the same way it makes sense to track a claimed vanilla. Not sure if he took that into account when following you, but it was a wise move and you were already the subject of discussion the previous phase. Had wylted not been lynched, you were likely the next target I would have chosen, even if some of it were for the wrong reason lol
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He wasn't actually a cop. I tailored him to be a cop 
oh sh1t, that makes me feel even better lmao
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pie sitting on that isaac claim just daring wylted to claim it lmao 
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I like savants role, I definitely would have bought that claim if he claimed it too, its perfect for hiss character and theres no way scum would come up with that. I think a lot of this would have been solved by poe
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Great game, its a shame it didn't last longer, but sometimes they go that way. I don't think it was a balancing issue, obviously mistakes were made on scum team part, but yeah fun times
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It's a damn good thing scum self-sabotaged in this game, because my reads were way off. 
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Even with Barney's flip???? Damn lol 
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Even with Barney's flip???? Damn lol 
It wouldn't have changed the fact that you happened to be a universal miller conveniently after I pointed out the logic with the cop, also combined with that2's claim it would add more confusion to the mix. I was also still dubious about the initial Justification mess up, and the mention of lenore initially that wasn't brought up in the second justification in post 29, I had pointed all of that out but not in an organized way since I was posting a lot from mobile in dp1.
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lmao that was anticlimactic
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@Vader
I don't think your reasons for following me for good. Call me salty but someone that confessed scum when the person had a scum read on them voting them is not opportunistic at all. Your logic is inherently flawed
Tbf, the results do speak for themselves. But in regard to that - it was the timing of it. The fact that you were able to be confident enough to vote Wylted (which would imply having read back the thread, at least to some extent, since the last time you posted, since it was a borderline hammer vote and that requires some confident) less than 60 seconds after you allegedly checked thread was fairly suspicious.

Even outside of that, I felt a Universal Miller didn't really make sense - how would it work with a Follower, which doesn't have a set guilty result? That, along with POE (Casey, Savant, Luna, and Pie all had unpairing interactions with Wylted) left it a pretty reasonable choice.

Regardless, ggs.
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The game was well-balanced, a bit on the swingy side but that's the norm for rolemad games here. Looked through it a couple times - it meets the two key characteristics of good setups:

-Scum have counterplay against town coordination
-Town roles have the ability to individually affect the game (for better or worse) depending on how they're handled

So yeah, hope you mod another one sometime, this one just ended pretty quickly.

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Btw now I see why you were so defensive of the logic of why a cop with bad justification was likely to exist lmaoooo
He was tailored lol. His true role was vanilla
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@Lunatic
Following you still made sense absent of that, in the same way it makes sense to track a claimed vanilla. Not sure if he took that into account when following you, but it was a wise move and you were already the subject of discussion the previous phase. Had wylted not been lynched, you were likely the next target I would have chosen, even if some of it were for the wrong reason lol
I always knew policy lynching millers was a good strategy lol
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pie sitting on that isaac claim just daring wylted to claim it lmao 
I was trying to hard to get him to claim it lmao
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I always knew policy lynching millers was a good strategy lol
Well mine wasn't for policy lynching reasons lol 
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Well mine wasn't for policy lynching reasons lol 
Potato puhtahto 
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GG all. And I love that PBO role!

I agree with Vader that hoping on Wylted's wagon wasn't telling at that point, as he literally confessed.

Wylted... Trying to explain away the trolling as part of the game did you in (that and ChatGPT errors). No one would have batted an eye had I done my intended fake claim of Miriam, as a funny obvious fake claim is an ingrained part of my MO DP1 (I didn't get around to making my lists).

Maybe this is wrong of me, but I wonder if these games should allow scum to swap with each other at the very start. Vader could have carried that role as it was meant to be used. I don't know if I've seen a popular scum before, and with inactive players that doubt would be incredibly effective.
 
That said, I'd rather have a fast game like this, than one with thousands of posts... As much as I'd even more prefer a middle option.
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Yeah ultimately mafia got unlucky here, never trust chat GPT lol
I have never had it just straight lie about story lines and character names but yes I am going to be more diligent about it from here on out.