Debate Mafia DP3

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Lunatic was killed last night. As the nominated player, Barney (replacing in for Vader) will take his spot in the bracket.

Setup and Rules:


Match Order:

Today's matches are:

1. Barney - Earth
2. Whiteflame - Bullish

Match Mechanics:

The matches will commence in the order listed in the OP. During the match, all living players may talk freely. Votes must be submitted privately - no in-thread votes will be counted. A match is decided by whoever has more votes - they will unavoidably die (and may still vote, but not talk).

Each match will last 24 hours. Until the deadline, you may change your vote as many times as you wish. If you do not anticipate changing your vote, you can cast a FINAL vote, which cannot be changed. If enough players submit a FINAL vote to guarantee the result of the match, it will end early.

Living Players:

1. Barney
2. Earth
3. Whiteflame
4. Bullish

Deadline:

Match 1 will end 48 hours from the first player post in the thread.
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@Earth
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@Bullish
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@ILikePie5
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It's the final four...
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Ok, someone please bring me up to speed.

If I understand correctly, we have no way to know how the game is going?

BTW, I'm effectively vanilla. Vader had a power, which he used up. I don't know if it helped the game in any way or not.
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we win these or what
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So Lunatic is the only 100% confirmed town "flip" we have right?
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Ok, someone please bring me up to speed.

If I understand correctly, we have no way to know how the game is going?

BTW, I'm effectively vanilla. Vader had a power, which he used up. I don't know if it helped the game in any way or not.
Yes, Vader claimed Solvency and said he used his power to swap the positions of Earth and WyIted in the match-ups for DP2. We couldn't see the original match-ups, only he could.

Your opponent in this match-up is Earth, who has claimed Ballot and said that he is the 2X Vote Revealer. That also would be a role that only reveals information to the person who uses it. He has not yet confirmed that he used his role.

Bullish has claimed to be Spreading, saying that he's effectively been a diminishing Popular, taking a larger amount of votes to eliminate in DP2 (2 extra), slightly less in DP3 (1 extra) and no extra in DP4 should he make it that far.

I claimed Theory and the role Sensor. I tried using it when Savant was eliminated, since his role and mine dovetail well, but I was RB'd. I since used it on this past match and, this time, it worked. I was told that there were two scum on Casey's lynch.

So, to sum up, no one's role has been confirmed, but I would say that Bullish's claim is the stand-out. Spreading was an outlier among all the claims given, and the Popular role, true or not, could be scum. That wouldn't be a first, though this version of it would. I was townreading both Vader and Earth, but now I have to reconsider that since one of you is making it to the final match. I think that about sums it up.
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I need some insight from you, particularly on your role usage. If you haven't used your role, why not? If you have used it, when and what were your results?
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Our votes are private I believe, so how do we know who was voting for Casey?
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@Barney
Our votes are private I believe, so how do we know who was voting for Casey?
You are correct. We don't know who was on Casey's elimination.

That's why I tried to use my role with Savant's elimination, since it revealed everyone who voted for him as well. I'd like to align the other shot of my role with Earth's role usage since he'll be able to see everyone who was on a given elimination, but coordinating with him openly is likely to result in one of us getting RB'd or manipulated.


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And what does nominating someone do?
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And what does nominating someone do?
It's irrelevant at this point, but back in DP1, it was a way to select one person not to be paired up with anyone else in the DP2 match-ups. Vader effectively got a bye through DP2 because he was nominated. It was a way to address having an odd number of players in the game after the DP1 elimination.

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I used it on WF/Owen a hour or so ago.
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Barney, Bullish, Casey, Earth, Pie, Savant, Whiteflame, Wylted all voted Owen. Nobody voted for WF. 

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I used it on WF/Owen a hour or so ago.
...what? Please explain what you mean by this. This is how you explained your role before:

I am the 2x vote revealer. At any point during the day or night, I can choose a match and receive the vote for that match. The justification is that the ballot contains the reason for decision along with a tally of the vote for that debate.
How did you use your role an hour ago on a match that already ended last DP?

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So you can choose any past match you want and get a vote for it at any point of your choosing? Why did you choose this match?
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lmao what
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...? Yes. I can choose any completed match of my choosing, and at any time. I picked your match on a whim.
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Austin got back to me. My role doesn't take double/triplevotes into consideration.
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Um, we know two scum were on Casey's lynch, why would you care about Owen's more than that?
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...? Yes. I can choose any completed match of my choosing, and at any time. I picked your match on a whim.
So where did this whim come from? The decision in that match was extremely lopsided based on everyone’s posts beforehand and the match played out as expected, so I would not be surprised if scum just bussed Owen. Also, if you could do this and effectively have an uninterruptible day use role, why not at least consult the rest of us before choosing?
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Alright, so after re-reading the OP, it looks like we have 48 hours for this first match (roughly 35 of which remain), which is good because I'd like to get this sorted out.

I really don't like that Earth chose this particular match (it's pretty much the only match we could be almost entirely certain would feature everyone voting Owen, regardless of their affiliation), nor that this is the first we're hearing about the full mechanics of how his role functions and that it's a day use role of all things. Much as I'd love to keep a role like this in reserve for one of the match-ups from this day phase, I think we're going to need as much information as we can to inform the elimination this round, and that will require Earth to use it again. I can see the case for using it on the Bullish/Casey match since that was much more contentious.
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Additional question, why did you not use your role yesterday?

Low engagement is one thing, but that utter lack of curiosity is suspect to me.
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I recommend town vote earth, that is what I have done.
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Well, if anyone have any suggestions on what match to use it on I still have one left.
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Casey, whom we have reason to believe has two scum on it.
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@Bullish
It’s taking a while to get responses. At this point at least, my preference in this match is eliminating Earth. He has time to address these issues and make a decision on how he’ll use the remaining shot of his role, but if it’s just going to be long stretches of silence, then this match will drag on until the 48 hours elapses and I’d like to do more with it than that.

Bullish, can you confirm the current status of you role?
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Okay, I got Casey/Bullish back, and I see that 4 people voted for Casey and 2 voted for Bullish. However mafia must have some role that blocked me because I can't see who voted.
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FYI, my votes were for
Luna,
Savant,
Owen,

Plus abstained once.

I'm not positive how that works, since we are only on DP3.

Oh and Earth today. I am quite dubious of the use and lack of use of his power role. Granted, I would expect mafia to do the faking better.

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Okay, I got Casey/Bullish back, and I see that 4 people voted for Casey and 2 voted for Bullish. However mafia must have some role that blocked me because I can't see who voted.
Alright then, so based on that and my result, of the four people on Casey's elimination, two were scum. Noted that the numbers are down from the previous vote, wonder what that's about. I don't love that this is the one for which we have the least information from your role, though I'm questioning whether you'd give this kind of response as scum. Just seems too specific.