Is Canada serious at all about Fentanyl?

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I was looking at some .ca sites about what Canada was doing... on the plus side, it noted that it set aside some funds to set up an agency of 20 people to track and test 2000 samples a year to find the source and get an idea of how much is coming over undetected.

At first glance, you might say "hay Canada takes this seriously."

CBP admits 2 milligrams is enough for an overdose, so it knows how dangerous even small amounts seized can be. Even one pound of the stuff could kill hundreds.

But I think the only statistic that really matters is the after report. 
There were a total of 50,928 apparent opioid toxicity deaths reported between January 2016 and September 2024.
Of all accidental apparent opioid toxicity deaths so far in 2024 (January to September), 75% involved fentanyl This percentage has increased by 32% since 2016 when national surveillance began. 
That is 38,196 Canadian deaths over 8 years to Fentanyl.
Canada only has a population of 40 million people.
I get that 40,000 fentanyl deaths may seem small compared to a population of 40 million, but the impact is severe when considering the daily toll. In 2022 alone, opioids were responsible for about 20 deaths per day, which is more than many other common causes of premature death. To me, this reflects at least some level of public health emergency. Populations suffer greatly when a good portion of their youth is taken from them.

So is creating the PMCRU and hiring 20 people in a lab in Toronto to screen 2000 doses a year adequate?
Is seizing only 43 pounds of it during Biden's last year adequate?

Trump seems to think no.
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I dont care if people do drugs. Its their life. People have a right to self harm and people even in many cases have a right to harm others as long as harm isnt significant enough to cause it to become illegal. Driving a car above 20 mph kills much more people, but you dont really see anyone care much about  it. People dont care about harm, so using harm as argument is contradicting to people's standards.
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Have you had anyone young and close that died from drugs? I have.
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Have you had anyone young and close that died from drugs? I have.
No, not really. So I guess these drug problems dont affect me so I dont need to care.
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OMG, you have a jacket that says, "I  really don't care, do U ?", like  Melania does, don't U?
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For some reason us North Americans just get absolutely gutted by opioids. Worse than the 19th century Chinese at this point.
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I’m serious about Fent- gimme some!
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Have you had anyone young and close that died from drugs? I have.
Did you try to stop them or just idly stood by?
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Canada makes up just 0.2% of US border fentanyl seizures, Mexican border makes up 97%.

The Canadian tariffs were not about Fentanyl, that is just another lie Trump told the MAGA folks, he can tell them anything he wants, and they believe it, that's why he says, "I love the poorly educated".

Remember, these are the people that believe forest fires are caused by Jewish Space Lasers.




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Canada makes up just 0.2% of US border fentanyl seizures
Yeah, do you think that's enough? Or do they need to seize more?

 Jewish Space Lasers.
All those tens of thousands of dead Canadians can't laugh at your dumb memes.

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Have you had anyone young and close that died from drugs? I have.
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Canada makes up just 0.2% of US border fentanyl seizures
Yeah, do you think that's enough? Or do they need to seize more?
US Customs does the seizing, not Canada, and they have found that less than one fifth of one percent of the illegal fentanyl comes in through Canada.
 Jewish Space Lasers.
All those tens of thousands of dead Canadians can't laugh at your dumb memes.
You think Jewish Space Lasers have killed tens of thousands of Canadians?  Did you learn that at Trump University?
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Have you had anyone young and close that died from drugs? I have.
Yes, I have, several in fact, and I don't blame Canada because...well, because I'm not a fucking idiot. 
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Canada isn't serious about anything. They are just hoping all the attention being focused on them  and how they are fucking the US goes away and back to business as usual.
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US Customs does the seizing, not Canada, and they have found that less than one fifth of one percent of the illegal fentanyl comes in through Canada.
I wasn't exactly blaming Canada or the USA, I was just asking you if you thought they were doing enough. Apparently, you don't care enough to answer that question.

Yes, I have, several in fact, and I don't blame Canada because...well, because I'm not a fucking idiot. 
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Maybe I can get a serious answer out of somebody on this site.

Do you think being able to detect 43 pounds of Fentanyl last year was doing enough knowing 10's of thousands of young people die on both sides of that border?
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US Customs does the seizing, not Canada, and they have found that less than one fifth of one percent of the illegal fentanyl comes in through Canada.
I wasn't exactly blaming Canada or the USA, I was just asking you if you thought they were doing enough. Apparently, you don't care enough to answer that question.
According to the stats, what they are doing is 485 times more effective than what Mexico is doing, and I know that a trade war with Canada will have absolutely no effect on the problem.

I also think as long as Trump is using Canada and Tariffs to distract away from the real problem, that he is making the problem worse. 

What more do you want? Don't tell me, let me guess, you think since the Canada/US border is only 5,525 miles, Trump should build a wall and make Canada pay for it.

That would fix a fifth of one percent of the problem...and raising the price of avocados would fix the rest. 

Problem solved the MAGA way.

Yes, I have, several in fact, and I don't blame Canada because...well, because I'm not a fucking idiot. 
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I gave you my answer as strait as I could. I don't think Canada gives a fuck. I think Canada is going to say what ever wants to be heard by who ever is asking and go right back to business as usual as quickly as it can. I cant speak for anyone else.
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According to the stats, what they are doing is 485 times more effective than what Mexico is doing, and I know that a trade war with Canada will have absolutely no effect on the problem.

Ok, well I don't think 43 pounds is enough. I think they could do a lot more than 43 pounds on both sides of the border to stop 20 Canadian kids from dying every day.
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According to the stats, what they are doing is 485 times more effective than what Mexico is doing, and I know that a trade war with Canada will have absolutely no effect on the problem.

Ok, well I don't think 43 pounds is enough. I think they could do a lot more than 43 pounds on both sides of the border to stop 20 Canadian kids from dying every day.
Tariffs will save them.
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I'm more hopeful of the removal of the kinds of leaders that could only manage 43 pounds of seizures.

And hopeful it never happens again.

What more do you want? Don't tell me, let me guess, you think since the Canada/US border is only 5,525 miles, Trump should build a wall and make Canada pay for it.
That's unfeasible, but Canada could possibly beef up the ports of entry on the west coast since it seems much of the precursor chemicals needed to make the stuff is coming from China. Maybe increase air patrols to find some of the distribution sites. Maybe investing in advanced detection technology and ramping up intelligence-sharing with U.S. could help track down the precursor chemicals coming in from places like China and intercept the distribution networks.

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Yeah, business as usual means ignoring the problem.