MAGA killing Protestant Liberalism in the name of anti-woke

With the recent meeting between Trump and Zelensky it has become clear that the primacy of Protestant Liberalism has been sideswiped for a broad, lower-class populism that is simply and entirely anti-woke. 

According to traditional Protestant liberal sensibilities, the Ukraine war is a no-brainer. Take an old-school WASP and he will identify that Russia is a despotic country run by a corrupt church and dictator, with traditions rooted not in Western Europe, but in Asia. Sending North Korean troops into Ukraine is akin to Atilla the Hut and Genghis Khan. It's populace is fraught with earthly ails like alcoholism and prostitution. On the other hand, Ukraine is western-aligned, ran by a jew, and against the state-supported Church. The anglo-protestant would 100% support Ukraine over Russia and there would be no spat on TV. Or, AT THE VERY LEAST, they would vote to condemn the Russian invasion.

However with Trump and MAGA all old sensibilities are thrown out the window in favor of a broad anti-woke ideology that is only concerned with broad social issues. Basically, social issues are now the only politics that matters. Previously, politics used to be about grand ideas, fought between male-dominated hierarchical groups. But now, politics is about transgenders in woman's sports or abortion. This process began with Protestant moralism, continued with middle-class Victorians, and was fully complete by 1980 with the Conservative revolution as social tendencies bled into politics. Abortion was not a party issue until Reagan, the gender divide starts in the 80's. When I see trump spit at Zelensky but defends woman's sports all I see is the end of metanarratives and traditional political structures which used to dominate and the rise of increasingly feminized politics which is only concerned with the social functions of people.

During the Civil War, one side saw themselves as the continuation of the defense of anglo-saxon liberty and the other as norman aristocrats. There was a clear historical continuation, a HUGE rift between the two sides, and grand narratives. Last election one side called others creeps and weirdos...

Well stated Doc.

Losing protestant culture was inevitable after so many years of importing illegal slave wage labor and allowing them to stay. It wasn't sustainable in 1860 or 2025.

A lot of the anti-woke didn't come from WASPs...it came from the people that switched sides. Being white and rich enough to care about dictator vs dictator wars, how to pronounce Latinx, and how to free the conventions on naming your gender are things only a WASP could afford to place high value on. It’s easier to debate pronouns and obscure global conflicts when you’re not worried about rent, gas prices, or whether your kid’s school is actually teaching math.

As far as the neocon metanarrative decline goes:

The new population being woven into the country through mass migration both legal and illegal doesn’t have the same historical or cultural attachments to things like Manifest Destiny, Cold War rivalries, or American exceptionalism. Those were deeply ingrained in older WASP generations, particularly those with ties to early settlers, the frontier spirit, and the ideological battles of the 20th century.

If you’re someone who just arrived in the last 10–20 years—especially from places with no historical stake in U.S.-Russia conflicts, you’re not going to care about weakening Russia or “defending democracy abroad.” That’s not your fight. Your concerns are more immediate: jobs, housing, navigating a new administrative system, and securing a future for your family.

Meanwhile, the people whose ancestors did believe in these metanarratives are feeling alienated because they see their culture and historical worldview being sidelined. That’s why many Americans today are checking out of global politics entirely, it doesn’t feel relevant to the country they now live in.

I don't know much about your take on women's sports, but I really don't see allowing chicks with dicks into a woman's locker room as a "neocon" fight. Plenty of neocons were okay with using the might of the male to protect a biologically inferior (physically) female.

Huh and all this time I have been opposed to war because I am sick and fucking tired of my nation having to be the worlds policeman and pay for everything. I support neither side. Let the fucking EU pay for and die for it if they think its worth it. The rest of the world can deal with the fucktards for awhile. My nation is piss fucking broke and 36 trillion in debt. We have no money for anything let alone funding a war that has no discernable strategic value.

Yeah I dont necessarily disagree, especially with increasing immigration in which the people coming over would never get WASP sensibilities, this is just something I observed

What is your personal stance on the war? What is your view of Russia?

My view is The US and NATO started the war by expanding when they said they wouldn't.

interesting

I also see the war as the liberation of the Donbas from the radical Maidan nationalists.

fair fair, but no wasp thinks like that. THats al

Yep.

Americans coming to terms with the new World order.

We had a similar wake up call 50 or so years ago.

And once it was oil.

And now it's rare earth minerals.

Such is the necessity of material evolution...Or so it seems.

When GODDO dropped us of here, they must have known a thing or two.

If they're monitoring progress, they will currently be saying to each other...Ah, looks like they're now at the rare earth phase.

How does the expansion of NATO justify Russia invading Ukraine?