Trump kills NYC congestion pricing

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The Trump administration is moving ahead with its plan to kill New York City’s congestion pricing – a controversial tolling program designed to help raise millions in critical infrastructure funding and decrease traffic in Manhattan’s most congested zones.

In a letter to New York Gov. Kathy Hochul on Wednesday, US Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said the Department of Transportation would rescind the agreement, effectively ending the tolling structure which went into effect early this year.

“New York State’s congestion pricing plan is a slap in the face to working class Americans and small business owners,” Duffy wrote in his letter. “Every American should be able to access New York City regardless of their economic means. It shouldn’t be reserved for an elite few.”
Boy, I can't wait till all those small government states rights conservatives find out and demand Trump stay out of it.
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In 1997, Duffy appeared on The Real World: Boston, where he solidified his reputation as a reality TV party boy, thanks to his televised sexcapades and seemingly inappropriate behavior.
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Boy, I can't wait till all those small government states rights conservatives find out and demand Trump stay out of it.
Maybe yall first need to figure it out amongst yourselves. Phil Murphy doesn’t want it and Kathy Hochul does 🤷‍♂️
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Boy, I can't wait till all those small government states rights conservatives find out and demand Trump stay out of it.
They will support Trump because the rich want his tax cuts.
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It's such a losing issue for New York, because inevitably, it will look like shuffling the poor into the unsafe subways while the royalty gets to use the royal highways.

Most presidents wouldn't give a fuck if a blue state becomes even more unequal and exploits wealth inequalities, but Trump has a soft spot for New York.
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Most presidents wouldn't give a fuck if a blue state becomes even more unequal and exploits wealth inequalities, but Trump has a soft spot for New York.
Trump and his father has been ripping New York for decades by cheating on their income taxes.
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Come on, you're putting it as if it were the end of the world.

The only outcome of this is that there will be more congestion. The public transport is going to be ok because the US will have more available money as a result of the work done by DOGE. Didn't you hear about USAID and all the money wasted for woke programs around the world?
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The effects will be that poor people will be able to park in New York. Before the poorest New Yorker would have to walk or just go without menthols. 

This is one of the things where cities just attack the poor. It's the same issue with red light cameras. 

Btw a majority of newyorkers prefer to pay a reasonable amount for parking
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I would advise new York officials to maybe stop doing all wasteful spending and they will have enough money to do things this tax on the poor was meant for. 

Maybe instead of 1st class hotels for illegal immigrants they do lower end motels. 

Also maybe instead of of prosecuting innocent mayors after they criticize Biden they save their money to go after criminals who do not seem to present a conflict of interest.

I googled the evidence against Mayor Adams and the prosecution literally offered zero. You look at other cases like Bryan kohlberger and the prosecution always gives some but of evidence to the public. With Adams we literally are asked to take their word that their prosecution of somebody who shortly before criticized Biden is legit despite the timing requiring a one in a billion coincidence
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Maybe yall first need to figure it out amongst yourselves.
We did, it's been implemented already.

Do better.
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It's such a losing issue for New York, because inevitably, it will look like...
Irrelevant. Do you believe in states rights or not? Do you believe in small federal government or not? I thought that was your shit, what happened?

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Come on, you're putting it as if it were the end of the world.
No, I'm pointing out blatant right wing hypocrisy.

The only outcome of this is that there will be more congestion.
Uh, yeah, that's literally what the program was implemented to fix.

The public transport is going to be ok because the US will have more available money as a result of the work done by DOGE
The entire federal workforce accounts for 1.7% of the federal budget. That's barely more than a rounding error, and 30% of that is the military. Tell me more about DOGE will fix our budget.

Didn't you hear about USAID and all the money wasted for woke programs around the world?
I heard about all of the claims of waste fraud and abuse they found, still waiting on them to produce a single shred of evidence to support any of it. But why produce evidence when half the country will just repeat anything they say uncritically, even when we know for a fact that at least some of the BS they are spreading is false.

What's also remarkable is that even if we take their claims at face value, even they have yet to claim to have found 1% of the budget of any of the agencies they've shuttered as fraud. So they're justifying getting rid of 99% to eliminate 1%. Setting aside the fact that they're lying about the 1%, that's still absurd.

This is what I'm talking about when I say Americans are morons. I don't say it to throw ad hominems at anyone, I say it because it's objectively true. We've lost our ability to think rationally, to tell the difference between fact and fiction, and we've ceded all of that to a reality show star who just claimed Ukraine started the war with Russia. We're so fucked.

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This is one of the things where cities just attack the poor.
The biggest beneficiaries from this program are buss travelers in the short term, and subway riders in the long term.

Btw a majority of newyorkers prefer to pay a reasonable amount for parking
A majority of new yorkers take public transportation. Maybe you would know that if you knew anything about this city.

Maybe instead of 1st class hotels for illegal immigrants they do lower end motels. 

Also maybe instead of of prosecuting innocent mayors after they criticize Biden they save their money
These are federal charges
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gotta give Double props for fighting the good fight, against impossible odds

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It's a federal road bro, do you believe in State secession or not?
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Guess only idiots know what a federal road is these days.
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I would advise new York officials to maybe stop doing all wasteful spending and they will have enough money to do things this tax on the poor was meant for. 

Fat chance, the mass transit is insolvent forever under their whip.

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We did, it's been implemented already. 

Do better.
Then why is Phil Murphy saying he supports the move?
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It's a federal road bro
They're not "federal roads" genius, the toll program is subject to federal approval because there have been a number of projects on various roads in lower Manhatten that have received federal subsidies. 

do you believe in State secession or not?
They another stupid and trollish question from the most unserious person on this site. I only bother for the exercise in dealing with stupidity.

I don't support seccession, but it's a funny question to ask given that NY, like most blue states, are donor states so they send more money to the federal government than they get back. So these projects are not money just being handed to NY, it's NY getting it's own money back while donating to other (mostly red) states.
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Then why is Phil Murphy saying he supports the move?
Why would I care what the governor of New Jersey thinks about NYC's traffic programs?
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Several federal roads lead into Manhattan, New York:
  1. Interstate 95 (I-95): This runs along the eastern edge of Manhattan (via the George Washington Bridge) and connects to the Cross Bronx Expressway.
  2. Interstate 87 (I-87): Connects from the north via the Major Deegan Expressway.
  3. U.S. Route 1 (US-1): Crosses into Manhattan via the George Washington Bridge.
  4. U.S. Route 9 (US-9): Runs along the western edge of Manhattan via Broadway and the Henry Hudson Parkway.
They're not "federal roads" genius

No, a state cannot unilaterally apply tolls to a federal road without federal approval. Interstate and federal highways fall under federal jurisdiction, and tolls on these roads require authorization from the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA).

Representative Jerrold Nadler said, "The approval of congestion pricing by the FWHA is a victory for New Yorkers in our fight for cleaner air, safer streets, and improved mass transit.https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-announces-central-business-district-tolling-program-final-environmental
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I don't support secession...

Cool, then obey the Orangeman.
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Why would I care what the governor of New Jersey thinks about NYC's traffic programs?
Wow, yall are cutthroat. Keep screwing over your own workers lmao
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Exactly, if Trump didn't care about the working class, he would approve a 50 dollar toll.
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Several federal roads lead into Manhattan, New York:
  1. Interstate 95 (I-95): This runs along the eastern edge of Manhattan (via the George Washington Bridge) and connects to the Cross Bronx Expressway.
  2. Interstate 87 (I-87): Connects from the north via the Major Deegan Expressway.
  3. U.S. Route 1 (US-1): Crosses into Manhattan via the George Washington Bridge.
  4. U.S. Route 9 (US-9): Runs along the western edge of Manhattan via Broadway and the Henry Hudson Parkway.
They're not "federal roads" genius
Typing words into Chatgpt and copying and pasting it back isn't a substitute for knowing what the hell you're talking about.

The first two do not go south of 60th street so they have nothing to do with it. The next do but those are not considered federal highways, they're state highways that connect to the federal system are thus receive subsidies from the government which is what makes them subject to the congestion pricing program.

No, a state cannot unilaterally apply tolls to a federal road without federal approval.
No one claimed they did or should be able to. Are you even paying attention, or is putting effort into your trolling too much to ask for?

I don't support secession...
Cool, then obey the Orangeman.
Stop being stupid
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Wow, yall are cutthroat.
No, not really. The topic of this thread is the professed right wing value of each state to be able to solve its own problems without the big bad federal government stepping in, so telling me what the governor of a whole other state thinks is totally irrelevant.
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No, not really. The topic of this thread is the professed right wing value of each state to be able to solve its own problems without the big bad federal government stepping in, so telling me what the governor of a whole other state thinks is totally irrelevant.
Y’all are so out of touch with the average American. Please continue doing and saying what you are saying.
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Federal approval is based on whether the program affects federally funded infrastructure. Even if the toll cameras are only on state-controlled highways, the congestion pricing system can still impact access, traffic flow, or other aspects of federal highways, triggering the need for federal review. For example, if the tolling zone creates backups or reroutes traffic to federal highways, it falls under federal jurisdiction.

Additionally, while the far-left authoritarian argues that the highways south of 60th Street are state-controlled and therefore exempt from federal approval, this overlooks the fact that many of these roads, such as the West Side Highway and FDR Drive, are part of the federal-aid highway system and receive federal subsidies. Highways that receive federal funding are subject to federal rules, regardless of whether they are technically operated by the state. Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) oversight is required for policies like congestion pricing when they impact federally funded infrastructure, including connected highways.

Lastly, federal oversight has precedent in similar programs. Congestion pricing efforts in other cities, such as London and attempts in Los Angeles, have required federal approval when they impacted federally funded roads. Toll cameras do not need to be physically installed on a federal highway to trigger federal review. Federal oversight applies to any program that affects federally funded infrastructure, including traffic flow, access, and overall usage. In the case of Manhattan, congestion pricing is almost certain to require federal approval because it directly or indirectly impacts federally funded roads, regardless of camera placement.

if they didn't need approval, why did Hochul ask Bootygay for approval?

Obvious answer is obvious.

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Y’all are so out of touch with the average American. Please continue doing and saying what you are saying
Agreed. Implosions are fun as a spectator sport.
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Come on, you're putting it as if it were the end of the world.

The only outcome of this is that there will be more congestion. The public transport is going to be ok because the US will have more available money as a result of the work done by DOGE. Didn't you hear about USAID and all the money wasted for woke programs around the world?
The money saved will go to Elon Musk to launch his Mars mission.