I support Trump now... mostly...

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Okay, so I just realized something very big.

Trump has many flaws. He is a greedy rapist who supports genocide in Palestine.

However, you cant exactly divide people on good and bad. People are both good and bad.

While Trump is bad in some ways, in other ways he is good.

First, he is the only politician who is actually trying to do something better. Most other presidents never even tried and just went with the retarded flow and limited effort.

The first example of Trump's efforts is the ChatGPT which is going to be uncensored now after Trump made effort to secure free speech.

Then he also made effort to cut government spending, something no president in past 50 years has ever done. Should he succeed and cut US budget by 3 or 4 trillions, Americans will become much richer since government will drain less money and workforce from the economy.

Trump is also smart enough to start AI revolution where he and Musk have plans to deploy robot workforce to greatly improve US production.

He also wants to cut military budget for all countries by making a deal with them, to reduce the amount of money entire world spends on weapons, thus making basically entire world richer.

Then he also understands what threat China poses to USA and the world, and that China sells its products very cheap to destroy production buisnesses in other countries and make other countries depend on them while using that earned money for mass building of military to achieve world dominance.

So you cant say that Trump is completely bad, no matter how radical opposition you are.
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@Best.Korea
Yeah but u r very temperamental and unpredictable. Maybe tomorrow you'll be a bernie sanders supporter, a socialist that's back to worshipping carrots again. 
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Yeah but u r very temperamental and unpredictable. Maybe tomorrow you'll be a bernie sanders supporter, a socialist that's back to worshipping carrots again.
Thats how it is with me. I never know what my opinion tomorrow will be.

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When I get bored of one opinion, I move to another, I guess.
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You just want to be on the side of 80% popularity.
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@Best.Korea
First, he is the only politician who is actually trying to do something better.
The difference between Trump and every president before him is that they all understood how the world works. You say Trump is trying and they didn't. Setting aside how you conclude that Trump is doing anything for any reason other than his own selfish childish petulant and narcissistic ends, the problem is that the rest of them understood this thing we call the constitution.

You see, in this pesky little document it clearly states that Congress controls the purse, so President's cannot just decide to shutter agencies by executive fiat. You might think his defiance of the constitution is a good thing, to that I would advise you to pick up a history book and take note of where this ends everywhere else it has succeeded.

Should he succeed and cut US budget by 3 or 4 trillions, Americans will become much richer
What do you think the US government does? In order to cut 3-4 trillion the government would have to cut almost every service it offers (medical research, food stamps, meals on wheels, etc) and then would have to cut into medicare and social security. Please explain how Americans b will become richer by having the programs they depend on cut.

Of course the only other big area of government spending we could really cut is defense, and yet the reporting right now is that Trump is planning to increase military spending.

Oh, and he's also planning another huge tax cut, so there goes your case that he's trying to balance the budget. The Americans who will become richer via Trump 2.0 are the top 1%. If that's the group you are advocating for just say so.
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Donald Trump is a poor person's idea of a rich man, a weak person's idea of a strong man, and a stupid person's idea of a smart man.
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In order to cut 3-4 trillion the government would have to cut almost every service it offers
No. 4 trillions is 4/7 of budget, or about 60%.

By doing so, Americans will be at least 20% richer.

What you and every other economy expert dont understand is that government spending by definition takes money from people.

So if you take money from people, you are going to have poorer people.

The only two cases where this is exception is when government gives money directly to the poor. The other case is when government invests money and earns a profit to be shared to the people. Only the first case has seen some historical success when used reasonably, while second case could only maybe work with AI factories.

Oh, and he's also planning another huge tax cut, so there goes your case that he's trying to balance the budget.
I really prefer printing money than using taxes. Any sane economist with a bit more than simple college education understands that printing money in decent amount is a more effective way than taxes. Printing money acts as a universal tax on all wealth, so top 1% are taxed on all their wealth this way. Of course, some naive person would say that printing money causes inflation, failing to understand that taxes cause greater inflation because merely collecting taxes already requires that you pay money to do so and pay people to do so.
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@Best.Korea
government spending by definition takes money from people.
Spending is, by definition, giving money to people.

So if you take money from people, you are going to have poorer people.
Setting aside your blatant error in logic, you're acting as if the government takes money and then throws it in the fire place. The government isn't "taking" money from taxpayers, it's using that money to pay for services to benefit those very taxpayers. And the services the government often provides are targeted towards the poor and middle class so this acts as a counter balance to the inevitable result of capitalism which is that the rich get richer while the poor get poorer. I don't know about you, but I consider that a good thing.

Any sane economist with a bit more than simple college education understands that printing money in decent amount is a more effective way than taxes.
Ok, now I know you're not being serious.

Printing money acts as a universal tax on all wealth, so top 1% are taxed on all their wealth this way.
Printing money boosts inflation, which boosts the net worth of anyone who holds financial assets. You know who holds financial assets? Wealthy people. It's not a tax on wealth, it's a tool for widening the gap between the rich and the poor.
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The government isn't "taking" money from taxpayers, it's using that money to pay for services to benefit those very taxpayers.
Lol so government decides which service you will pay for with your own money?

Also, what you missed is that government acts as irresponsible employer, employs people and pays them, thus reducing productivity.

Government payed healthcare is probably the best example of such failure, but public schools are good example too, as well as many agencies government employs.

Printing money boosts inflation, which boosts the net worth of anyone who holds financial assets.
What you fail to understand, my dear friend, is that printing money increases amount of money in the economy, so everyone has more money. This negates inflation and price increase. Plus, increasing amount of money in economy causes all prices to rise by a small amount, which then forces wealthy to spend and invest their money because it loses value over time and it pays off more to invest as stocks grow in value then. It is really a great way to boost economy. Besides, US is printing 2 trillions per year and inflation is very low. Another trillion or two wont drive the prices up much.
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One day, you announce you have become a Nazi, the next day you support Trump… in other words, not much has changed with you. 
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One day, you announce you have become a Nazi, the next day you support Trump… in other words, not much has changed with you. 
Trump promised a unified Reich.
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One day, you announce you have become a Nazi, the next day you support Trump
I am not really a Nazi. Nazi believed in eradicating other groups, but thats not good. Its much better for a group to simply breed as much as possible until it outnumbers everyone else. Also, I dont support Trump. I am merely giving Trump advice so he can be guided on the right path.
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@Best.Korea
Lol so government decides which service you will pay for with your own money?
Correct. Google "Congress".

Also, what you missed is that government acts as irresponsible employer, employs people and pays them, thus reducing productivity.

Government payed healthcare is probably the best example of such failure, but public schools are good example too, as well as many agencies government employs.
No idea what any of this means.

What you fail to understand, my dear friend, is that printing money increases amount of money in the economy, so everyone has more money. This negates inflation and price increase.
WTF???

This is what *causes* inflation. Are you really being serious? Cause again, if this is some attempt at devil's advocate it's pointless if you're stuck presenting arguments that are refuted by literal third grade economics.
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This is what *causes* inflation
Read again what I wrote. This time, try a bit better. Use AI to explain my words to you.

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I am not really a Nazi… Also, I dont support Trump.
I see. So in other words, not much has changed with you.

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This is what *causes* inflation
Read again what I wrote. This time, try a bit better. Use AI to explain my words to you.
There is something wrong with your brain.

"printing money increases amount of money in the economy, so everyone has more money. This negates inflation and price increase."

So for short: 'Printing money negates inflation'.

"Negates" means stops, nullifies, or counteracts... That's the opposite of "causes" which is what I just finished explaining to you is actually how it works.

What part of this are you not understanding?
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@Double_R
Your knowledge is still on the level of third grade, as you admitted here:
"literal third grade economics"