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@Mopac
No one cares what you think. Or me. Or janesix. Or keith. This is a shit and run forum. LOL people who think its more think too much of themselves.
Agnostic is just a soft atheist
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@Polytheist-Witch
If I cared to begin with, I wouldn't be here.
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@Mopac
Yeap
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@Mopac
Gee you people talk rubbish. A heart can't see.
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@Mopac
Blind faith is the answer.This fetish for explanations and understandings will only get in the way of what is really important.
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@Mopac
I've said repeatedly that Quantifiable (verifiably real and true) data is emotionally meaningless.If you are an epistemological nihilist, this is an admission that knowledge is meaningless.
Only Qualitative (imaginary and experiential) information is emotionally meaningful.
I'm not sure how you think this helps strengthen your case.
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@3RU7AL
What do you think my case is?
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@Mopac
What do you think my case is?
Mystery is superior to knowledge.
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@3RU7AL
That isn't what I am saying.
I am saying that purifying the heart will do more for you than having all the knowledge or knowledge so called in the world.
You give the same information to a group of people and ask them to make a judgement.. What effects the judgement of each individual more so than the information itself is the state of their heart.
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@Mopac
That isn't what I am saying.I am saying that purifying the heart will do more for you than having all the knowledge or knowledge so called in the world.You give the same information to a group of people and ask them to make a judgement.. What effects the judgement of each individual more so than the information itself is the state of their heart.
And the "state of their heart" is an unknowable mystery?
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@3RU7AL
That is what you say.
So are you going to dismiss the whole thing?
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@Mopac
That is what you say.So are you going to dismiss the whole thing?
Only what is verifiable and knowable (Quanta) is properly "true".
This does not mean that "everything else" is necessarily false.
It simply means nobody can say (regarding unfalsifiable claims), "it is true".
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@3RU7AL
The truth in what I am saying is most evident in how an addict will find the most creative ways to rationalize their addiction.
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@Mopac
Is that something you know, or is that something your heart told you?The truth in what I am saying is most evident in how an addict will find the most creative ways to rationalize their addiction.
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@3RU7AL
What does that even mean to you?
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@Mopac
What does that even mean to you?
Please challenge my axioms and or point out a specific logical error and or provide a counter-factual.
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@3RU7AL
The Greek word that we use as "heart" in the context of what it is I am talking about is "Nous", and being that you use words that are derivative of this word (such as noumenon), you should at least already, I would hope, have a rudimentary understanding of the concept.
Purify the heart in another way of expressing, to cleanse the intellect.
And I am saying that cleansing the intellect is more important than knowledge itself.
And Orthodox discipline is mostly centered around cleansing the intellect. Purifying the heart. The west departed from this, and as a result their theology became corrupted, and their philosophy nihilistic.
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@Mopac
Noumenon is unknowable.The Greek word that we use as "heart" in the context of what it is I am talking about is "Nous", and being that you use words that are derivative of this word (such as noumenon), you should at least already, I would hope, have a rudimentary understanding of the concept.Purify the heart in another way of expressing, to cleanse the intellect.And I am saying that cleansing the intellect is more important than knowledge itself.And Orthodox discipline is mostly centered around cleansing the intellect. Purifying the heart. The west departed from this, and as a result their theology became corrupted, and their philosophy nihilistic.
Nous =/= mind.
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@3RU7AL
Nous =/= mind.
I wholeheartedly agree, as would any Orthodox.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Disagree. Agnosticism is not a statement of belief but knowledge. It is possible to be an agnostic theist.
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@SkepticalOne
Good point. Agnostic = without knowledge. This is perfectly compatible with faith.Disagree. Agnosticism is not a statement of belief but knowledge. It is possible to be an agnostic theist.
Agnostics are atheists without the guts to say so.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Most agnostics are effectively atheists, but I have to agree with skepticalone and 3RU7AL that one can be an agnostic theist. That is, have faith that God exists without knowing that God exists.
Or in the case of all theists, even those who know God exists, we do not know God, because knowledge is creation and God is The Uncreated. The essence of God is not really knowable, as The Ultimate Reality is not really something that can be totally comprehended.
We know God through The Word by The Holy Spirit. Through The Most Perfect Image by The Spirit of Truth.
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@Mopac
What you think means little to nothing
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@Polytheist-Witch
So, in you view there is only gnostic theists and atheists, or is everyone really believers of some type?
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@Polytheist-Witch
Little to nothing to you.
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@SkepticalOne
Yes. No such think as a theist who isn't sure. You either know or don't know. Most agnostic "theists" tend to take the atheists side of things in conversation. Most times people hardly know they are theists.
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@Mopac
Nothing to anyone outside your faith. But you keep thinking everyone here is hinged on your every word.
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@Polytheist-Witch
That is what you think I think.
But what I actually think means little to nothing to you, so I'd be surprised if you actually took that into account. You don't account for nothing, after all.
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@Mopac
No that is what others think. No one here cares about Christ or religion. LOL