The Zizians

On January 20, a border patrol agent named David Maland pulled over two self-identified transwomen, who were connected to a fringe sect known as the Zizians. This traffic stop turned into a shootout in which Maland was shot and killed.

The group's namesake is their founder, Jack "Ziz" LaSota. The Zizians are known to recruit self-identified, "mostly autistic" transwomen with ties to the "rationalist" online community and have been linked to murders in three states. They espouse radical veganism, and were known to have beef (no pun intended) with the more mainstream rationalist community; otherwise, it's unclear what exactly the Zizians' motivations are.

I guess you guys are starting some anti trans movement.

Transphobe Elon Musk's investment in MAGA payed off.

Trump’s pick of Elon Musk is paying off too.

As somebody who was a part of that rationalist movement for so long and still hang around the various fringes, this hurts.

One of the issues with rationalism in the extreme is it can lead to some crazy outcomes. For example take Pareto's principal.

Pareto says that since the reward of believing in Jesus is eternal life and you will die if you are wrong anyway than the rational choice is Christianity.

This is technically true. We are taking millions or I finite years and so what gamblers call the expected value is going to be more positive by believing.

Its these same sorts of calculations with rationalism. Pareto's mugging is where a mugger walks up to pareto and instead of putting a gun to his head, he says give me everything in your wallet and I will come back and hand you 20 million dollars tomorrow.

Let's say he has $10 in his wallet. You could calculate the EV of the decision to give it up at $11, which would make the correct move handing over everything in your wallet.

These rationalists would in theory be okay with nuking Germany if there was a 0.01% chance that a man in Germany in a lab would destroy the world by creating a deadly virus. Over an extended time frame nuking Germany could save billions of lives at only the cost of about 20 million lives.

These rationalists have done things like start a cult in silicon valley to willingly submit to brainwashing on the off chance it helps save the world. The rationalist community has a high barrier of entry, intellectually anyway so these are very smart people.

You also have Sam Bankman Fried who used the same rationalization to steal billions while simultaneously living like a scrub.

It's not all bad of course but the community's ideology and they don't realize this is an ideology that has led to Marxism and killing hundreds of millions of people in the name of Marxism to create a perfect society. It's also what led to the eugenics movement championed by Nazis.

These types of calculations are not good for society and we need to seek a higher truth. One that supercedes logic. Removing this in favor of using your ability to reason as some sort of God like thing has caused the greatest catastrophies in our history

Are you describing the same thing?

No I messed up. I mean Pascal's wager

That is why DART needs more well informed members like Shila.

Ok but he knew the actual name of the principle and you didn't.

Shila made him correct his mistake.

You r doin it real gud.

Got to keep the site honest.

yup, that is to be done by sm1.

We all have to do our part.

It’s not anti trans. That’s like if I said the prosecution of Jeffrey Dahmer was an anti-blonde male movement. Someone’s identity shouldn’t excuse them for any crime.

Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer (/ˈdɑːmər/; May 21, 1960 – November 28, 1994), also known as the Milwaukee Cannibal or the Milwaukee Monster,[3] was an American serial killer and sex offender who killed and dismembered seventeen men and boys between 1978 and 1991.[4] Many of his later murders involved necrophilia,[5] cannibalism, and the permanent preservation of body parts—typically all or part of the skeleton.[6]

I know who Dahmer was. He was a terrible, disgusting human being who deserved to die. I don’t know why you’re putting that definition there. I’m not in any way diminishing how bad he was. Quite the opposite, in fact. What I’m saying is that when the creator of this topic talked about how the Zizians are responsible for murders and are potentially a criminal organization, Best.Korea called the backlash against the Zizians an “anti-trans movement.” That’s stupid, it’s like calling Dahmer’s prosecution an anti-white blonde male movement. Defending a criminal because of their identity is wrong, and that’s what I was speaking against. I don’t know where you got the idea that I was defending Dahmer’s actions.