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So God is certainly omnipresent. It can really be no other way.
(IFF) the creator is not creation (THEN) any dimension that is occupied by creation is NOT occupied by the creator.

There is either a line or not a line.

Also, (IFF) the creator is not fundamentally similar to (made from the same energy as) creation (THEN) the creator cannot see or interact with creation in any way whatsoever.
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God's uncreated energies permeate creation.



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God's uncreated energies permeate creation.
Water "permeates" a sponge - but the sponge is not water, therefore, the water is not omnipresent in the sponge.
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Well said....sadly the majority 99% of Christians and muslims are HYPNOTIZED ....under attack 24/7 with Bible/Church/Dogma VOMIT flowing 
through their neural network...add to what is already planted inside their puny brain...ie. books-TV-internet-live Church activity-other
hypnotized Jesus/Church/Bible vomit zombies programming ++++ and what YOU get is a truly MENTALLY DISTURBED Parasite Vampire who
can't wait to go out and INFECT others with his/her Jesus/Allah DISEASE...

The Middle East Jesus and Allah God hoaxes are knockoff inventions of earlier civilizations GOD play books...they are designed for assimilation-
mind and life control....nothing more...slaves for a new world order...humans divided between Jesus and Allah...till the "END of TIMES" plays out

It's all so utterly IDIOTIC and obvious....GOD ?   Jesus/Allah are HOAXES...scapegoats to commit atrocities against all who do not accept this
GARBAGE....absolutely NOTHING POSITIVE has come from these Jesus and Allah worshipping PARASITE VAMPIRES...always CONFLICT
always WAR-DEATH-DESTRUCTION.....always inciting FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE...always striking hardest at the most deprived and impoverished humans...to convert and exploit them to do all the FILTHY DIRTY WORK of the clowns in  Halloween Glory Gowns that play GOD

These miserable dumbed down sheeple slave drones are always EXPENDABLE...used as lab rats to test drugs-disease-war weapons-genetic
experiments-where do you think AIDS-EBOLA-MALARIA-DIABETES-CANCER +++ all from human experimentation for PROFIT and POWER

Why is there a wall at the VATICAN ?   you morons are so utterly STUPID to fall for this so obvious Jesus/Allah GOD hoax....time to send these 2
Comic Book characters to Mythology for children's entertainment...
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God is not water in a sponge.

God is certainly omnipresent, and you can't hide from God.

"All things came into being through Him, and without Him, there is nothing that came into being."


If there is reality to something, God is there. If it exists, it is there. Even illusory things exist as illusions. God is there. 


God is with us. Nearer than your breath. Nearer than your blood.
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God is not water in a sponge.
God is certainly omnipresent, and you can't hide from God.
"All things came into being through Him, and without Him, there is nothing that came into being."
If there is reality to something, God is there. If it exists, it is there. Even illusory things exist as illusions. God is there. 
God is with us. Nearer than your breath. Nearer than your blood.
I agree.  (IFF) god exists (THEN) everything that exists is god.
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I agree.  (IFF) god exists (THEN) everything that exists is god.
If you define 'everything that exists' as god (as it seems Mopac does) then that becomes tautological.

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We are not talking about a god, we are talking about God, and there is no if about the existence of God.


As I have stated before, it would be incorrect to say that a rock is God, even if you can see God in the rock.


A rock is not The Ultimate Reality.
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I am certainly not defining a god, and I would not call God everything that exists, because not everything that exists is God, though God is what gives it existence.


And this "tautology" dismissal is not, nor has it ever been valid. I can't see it as anything other than a pseudointellectual way of dismissing the subject all together.
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A rock is not The Ultimate Reality.
(IFF) a rock is part of reality (THEN) a rock is part of THE ULTIMATE REALITY!!!!!!
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Yet a rock is not The Ultimate Reality, nor would the Ultimate Reality change by the destruction of this rock.
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Yet a rock is not The Ultimate Reality, nor would the Ultimate Reality change by the destruction of this rock.
Everything is part of (a manifestation of) the ultimate reality.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed.
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In particular, you as a human being are made in the image of God.


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In particular, you as a human being are made in the image of God.
Just like everything else.
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No, there is something special about people.


And I would like to point out that the tool you are using to measure these things is you, a people!

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No, there is something special about people.
There is also something special about rocks.


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A rock cannot make youtube videos that I'm not going to watch.

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I suppose the idea of man being a microcosm is nonsense when everything is understood in a materialistic sense.
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A rock cannot make youtube videos that I'm not going to watch.
A human can't retain their shape and composition over thousands of years.

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If you wish to reduce yourself to a rock, go ahead.

I know One who neither had beginning nor will have an end. The Eternally Existing One, who created both man and rock. Man was created in God's image, and though that image can be distorted through sin, the image is still there. 

And we can see God, but a rock cannot see anything. A rock can not move on its own, nor can it create anything. A rock is dead. Rocks serve men, who use rocks to construct structures. Men seperate material from rocks to make tools that we use to plant gardens in desolate places, create furniture for our rest, and steward over all creation.


What is a rock to envy? I would no sooner envy the longevity of a rock than I would the corpse of pharoah, preserved for thousands of years so that children can point, stare, and mock at it. Just like the rock, Pharaoh is dead. Dead as the mammoth frozen in ice for countless ages, preserved even more immaculately than Pharaoh. I do not envy the Pharaoh or the beast frozen in the ice. Not even the man frozen in the ice long before pharaoh, who did not even care to preserve his corpse, showing how God makes humble even the haughty Pharaoh. A king who on a whim could eradicate nations and have colossal monuments carved in his honor, out of stone. A man who fancied himself a god, who cared very deeply about the state of his corpse, for a primitive and barbaric man has been preserved for a longer period and a better state.


But you are alive, made in the image of God, and you are worth much more than a rock. And you can even come to see God through that image in you if you were to were the mud and dust from it.

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A rock can not move on its own, nor can it create anything.
A human cannot move without gods spirit energy, nor can it create anything, but instead, it merely shapes and combines pre-existing things in apparently novel ways.

You are the sock puppet of the gods.
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What kind of weird crap are you spouting? 
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What kind of weird crap are you spouting? 
(IFF) gods exist (THEN) everything that exists is part of gods.
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Yet, we do have the ability to choose, and it was God who granted us this ability.


So we can choose to go with God or choose to forsake God.

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Why do you assume that? Gods develope like people have, evolution.Just because monotheists make a claim does not apply to every other religion out there. 
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A God who is perfect has no need to evolve or develop.


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Why do you assume that? Gods develope like people have, evolution.Just because monotheists make a claim does not apply to every other religion out there. 
It's a hypothetical statement.
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Yet, we do have the ability to choose, and it was God who granted us this ability.
(IFF) a god is omnipotent (THEN) nothing can violate the will of that god.
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Yes, and it was God's will that we have what is called free will.

So we can use that free will to reject God or we can use that free will to love God.

No matter what we choose, God's will is not frustrated.

But if you are going to go that route, that is what Calvinists believe. This is, however, not what Orthodoxy teaches, and so we would say that the Calvinists are wrong.


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So we can use that free will to reject God or we can use that free will to love God.
But we can only reject an omnipotent god if that god wants us to reject it.