I don't like how Alberto asks his questions

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I have a little story to share about some recent things.

I have a friend that I have made not too long ago (let's call him Alberto), and he likes to ask questions about what I think and do a lot.
That's not bad in itself, because I do enjoy my beliefs being tested and seen from different perspectives. 

It's just I have an issue with the way he asks his questions and his argument style. 

Examples
I'll give some examples of how he thinks:

1. Alberto said that people who use 24-hour time are only "trying to be different." 
I thought that sounded weird, and lo and behold, I found out that 2/3 of the population of the world use 24-hour time. 
People don't use "military time" to stand out, it's actually more commonly used than 12-hour time. 

2. The other day, I was telling him how I prefer computers over iPads, and he seemed to prefer the latter so one of his first questions was, "Honestly, what can a computer do that an iPad can't do?" 
Someone who asks this question clearly does not know very much about computers.

Issue with the mode of questioning from Alberto
Now, the reason those conversations bother me is because of the way Alberto asks a question. 
He asks a question like he's making a point--the question itself is a point to him, and I've noticed other people do this too. 
But, the way I see it, a question is not a point, it is a prompt

People carry so much confidence in an inquiry because they expect the person they're talking with to automatically understand the implications from the question, but understanding the points implied is not in the same stage as hearing the question.

I'll say it again, a question is not a statement, it is a prompt
The problem is that people treat their question like it's a really important fact they've just shared. 

I don't think these types of people know how to argue well, but this style of arguing is effective at slowing the other person down as I have experienced because:
1. The receiver has to first understand the question--the same as understanding any question.

2. But then secondly, the receiver is forced to try to read the inquisitor's mind because the inquisitor did not give a point, only a question, and the points are hidden in the question.

So this slows down the receiver's thought process by having to basically explain the inquisitor's point for them in his head before replying, which can take too long and thus the inquisitor can start to take the lead from the receiver taking too long to answer back. 

Prime Example: Stealing batteries from Walmart
I'll give my best example of my problem with arguing with Alberto.

I accidentally stole batteries from Walmart the other night when Alberto and I went shopping for supplies together. 
They were in my pocket and I had forgotten I put them there, purchased my other stuff, and then walked out the door. 

I realized before we left the parking lot, and so I went back inside to pay for my batteries. 

I explained why I did this to Alberto.

I started out with saying how I try to think about what is wrong to do in principle, such as asking myself, "Would X act be okay for me to do still if everyone else in the world did it?" 
"Would X act be okay for me to do if it was a universal law?" 

I didn't think everyone stealing batteries from Walmart was okay, so I decided to redeem myself. 

I also explained how I didn't want to make a habit of stealing things because habits start small and then grow, and they can begin with things like stealing batteries from Walmart and being fine with that. 

We both believe in God, and so he thought my reasoning was ignoring God's commands of right and wrong and instead focusing on my own rationale. 

(I have my own thoughts to share about that above, but I've already typed a lot so I'll skip it for sake of relevance + being concise.)

Alberto led with the question, "What is good and bad?" 

My immediate thought was "This is vague because he didn't give much context to it. Like, is he asking what are good and bad things to do?" 
And it's a big question too.

I felt kind of stumped because I didn't know how to respond at first. The question seemed out of the blue since there was no support he had given for it. 

I provided context by saying murder was bad, and then he asked why is murder bad.

I said for reasons such as it being an act of hatred and personal revenge.

Then he said why is killing bad which is not what I said, and this is where you can see I start to become annoyed with the way he argues.

More about Alberto's arguing
He likes to ask questions a lot without giving many points.

I've noticed this can make a person seem smart because the asker can become the conductor of the conversation easily by leading it with their questions.  

It's more of a facade though because it doesn't actually display much knowledge of the topic, more like a distraction from letting anyone know that he doesn't know as much as you would think. 

A question is not an explanation of anything which is something you need in order to argue, so Alberto does not understand the fundamentals of debating.

It seems like he eventually gets bored with my continuous answers, probably because I go a bit slower to counter him seemingly trying to speed things up for a quick victory by just asking big questions that can take a while to answer or not really giving any points at all, so the person he's talking to has to carry the weight of any meat of the topic being shared or explained. 

An Ending 
And the reason he questions me so frequently is because I tell him some of my deeper beliefs about life and the way I act.
I do this to sharpen my ability to explain myself, to make conversation, or to see if I'm actually wrong about something. 
And, truly, I have it coming when he starts to question me because I know how he thinks, and I can tell when he is going to probe me with his own thoughts against mine. 


I'd appreciate any thoughts from you guys!

Any similar situations?

Similar friends?

Ever steal batteries from Walmart?
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We both believe in God, and so he thought my reasoning was ignoring God's commands of right and wrong and instead focusing on my own rationale. 

(I have my own thoughts to share about that above, but I've already typed a lot so I'll skip it for sake of relevance + being concise.)
Getting into this would explain more my criticisms of Alberto.

I might make another forum thread about it 
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I'm not always great at conversations, especially in person.
Sometimes I worry I ask to many questions, as an attempt to be involved.
Usually not a big talker, easier/more used to listening.
Still, I do talk some, but often it's related to something the other person has spoken of.

I do notice that some people use questions rhetorically, (I do that 'sometimes, more often in debates than rest of life).
I suppose it can be annoying sometimes, if the person doesn't actually want the question answered, they just wanted to make a statement.
Though again, might be I do the same sometimes.

I've read that a number of people found Socrates annoying,
Lot of people like his method, may not be skilled in it though.

I had a couple jugs of milk on the bottom of the shopping cart that I missed when I paid for groceries once,
But hadn't left the store yet when I noticed, so they were easy enough to go back for, still felt a bit embarrassing, but eh.

I've never stolen batteries before (That I can remember)
Stores seem to be locking them up lately, which personally inclines me not to get them at all if I have to ask for help.
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From this text, I understand that his questions are the source of a problem.

I think questions are healthy enough in a debate. Well, anything which engages the brain is healthy.

If you dont want to answer questions, then questions can be countered in 3 ways:
1. Ask a counter question. (Why?, Why not?)
2. Use sarcastic answer (Opposite of your actual argument).
3. Give answer which actually ignores the question

Questions for some people are mainly "emotional arguments" which try to put burden of proof on opponent and which try to force opponent to explain what you tell him to.

Questions are not arguments, obviously. They are just very good at presenting themselves as they were.
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Is Alberto real.

Otherwise it's just two opinionated people, getting along but never quite agreeing.

Pretty typical behaviour.

Especially for two comparative strangers, discussing contentious topics.
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It could be that some of his questions were rhetorical, and I didn't realize. 

Though I think for most of his questions he wants them to be answered directly, and it felt like nagging to me so that's why I was annoyed. 

After a few days of venting a little, I've come to understand that basically I am just annoyed with the way he is inquisitive in conversation, so I'll probably just talk less with him.
And not that asking questions in principle is bad, just, I negatively view the way he does it.

Not that I dislike him, but I would prefer less convo with him
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Questions for some people are mainly "emotional arguments" which try to put burden of proof on opponent and which try to force opponent to explain what you tell him to.

Questions are not arguments, obviously. They are just very good at presenting themselves as they were.
Yeah, I agree with that.

Your counter to questions have been helpful when I try to use them. 
They make me feel more relaxed.

Sometimes I would get too stressed about the convo, which made me want to think harder and explain more, but this did not aid me in presenting myself better. 
Sort of like a backfire with trying too hard. 

Sarcasm helps keep the convo light, and it can make the other guy feel like maybe this argument isn't that serious 
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Is Alberto real.

Otherwise it's just two opinionated people, getting along but never quite agreeing.

Pretty typical behaviour.

Especially for two comparative strangers, discussing contentious topics.
The other character in the story is real, but his name is not Alberto.

I do think it is funny when picturing the way I feel about my conversations with Alberto in retrospect.
It's sort of like those comical scenes in movies where two guys just keep on bothering each other, but then at the end of the day they still have a friendship
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Well, people don't always click,
Sometimes when meeting them one just smiles and waves. Smiles and waves.

Othertimes.one just needs a break, or certain people in small doses.
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That’s good advice 
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As we get older I'm not sure that we make friends.

Acquaintances perhaps, with more or less levels of trust.

Depends upon how one chooses to differentiate between the concepts of friendship and acquaintance I suppose.


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It that because when one is younger, they have more opportunity, time, and willingness to form friendships? 

When you get older, is there a decline in making friends, but there's still a capacity to have positive relationships in the form of acquaintances? 

I'm nowhere near being older for now, so I don't have the "older experience" to say for sure 
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Not that I dislike him, but I would prefer less convo with him
Alberto substitutes as your super ego.

Is superego good or bad?
The superego is the part of a person's mind that acts as a self-critical conscience. an overly dominant superego might lead to a personality that is extremely moralistic and judgmental. A person ruled by the superego might not be able to accept anything or anyone that they perceive to be ``bad'' or ``immoral.”

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Maybe.


At 65.

I am no longer in touch with any of my Schoolfriends.

We might rarely meet in the street and exchange pleasantries.

Though where I currently live, I have lots of good acquaintances; but I would not regard any as close friends.


Though looking back at my early years, I see that friends were nonetheless always competitive.

Always trying to gain one-upmanship.


In my opinion a group of friends/acquaintances, are a collective because of circumstance and commonality.

Though always subject to a naturally discriminatory survival instinct and pecking order.
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In my opinion a group of friends/acquaintances, are a collective because of circumstance and commonality.

Though always subject to a naturally discriminatory survival instinct and pecking order.
You discovered a lot about your friends and acquaintances but very little about your self. Your profile is mostly filled with unknown.
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Still worried about my profile.

What is it that you need to know.
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Still worried about my profile.

What is it that you need to know.
Country, occupation, religion, priorities , political ideology etc.

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Alberto substitutes as your super ego.
I don't know about that. He's more like an annoyance that voices itself from confidence and image then from logic.

I wouldn't say he acts as a moral compass of sorts for me. 

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It seems like you've studied psychoanalytic theory, so I'd appreciate your thoughts. 

I have anger issues that arise sometimes. Do you think this plays a part in how I view my friend and myself? 
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It seems like you've studied psychoanalytic theory, so I'd appreciate your thoughts. 

I have anger issues that arise sometimes. Do you think this plays a part in how I view my friend and myself? 
Relationships. Anger can cause lasting scars in the people you love most and get in the way of friendships and work relationships. Explosive anger makes it hard for others to trust you, speak honestly, or feel comfortable—and is especially damaging to children.

Can anger issues be cured?
While you can't cure anger, you can manage the intensity and effect it has upon you. Effective therapeutic strategies exist for managing anger and can help you become less reactive. You can even learn to develop more patience in the face of people and situations you cannot control.

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Though looking back at my early years, I see that friends were nonetheless always competitive.

Always trying to gain one-upmanship
I had trouble with valuing friendships, and to a certain extent relationships in general, because of the competitive presence I could see in my interactions with my friends and classmates. 

At times, I would view them as completely arrogant and self-absorbed. But I see some of the same qualities in myself at certain moments, so I try not to be a harsh judge. 

I'd like to think I control my negative qualities better than most. 

I try very hard to not get angry around people because I don't want to subject them to having to deal with my outbursts. 
I display a lot more anger when I'm by myself and no one can hear me. 

I know how angry I can be towards people, and so I try not to be so conflicting. But at the same time, I loathe being a coward more than anything, and I think this outlook can influence me to be a lot more serious than I want to be in social interactions. 

It's a balance of not being too angry and not feeling like I am being too submissive and slave-like to those around me 
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It's a balance of not being too angry and not feeling like I am being too submissive and slave-like to those around me

What is a healthy expression of anger?
Expressing your angry feelings in an assertive—not aggressive—manner is the healthiest way to express anger. To do this, you have to learn how to make clear what your needs are, and how to get them met, without hurting others.

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Sometimes I feel weak and cowardly when I try focusing on subduing my anger. 

I've had bad experiences with people manipulating me and making me feel weak and afraid. 

I fear that sometimes my actions of anger act as a revenge mechanism to "get back" at those that afflicted me in the past, even though my anger is not or cannot be geared towards them. 

My trouble is: how do I feel confident and sure of my strength without "losing it" in social interactions? 
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What is a healthy expression of anger?
Expressing your angry feelings in an assertive—not aggressive—manner is the healthiest way to express anger. To do this, you have to learn how to make clear what your needs are, and how to get them met, without hurting others.
I like your differentiation between assertion and aggression. I think that is important for me to remember. 

I don't know if everyone can avoid needing to be hurt in some way.

For example, sometimes you have to punch the bully in the nose to make peace with him. 

But this does bring another related problem to light, and it could be that I view too many folks as "the bully;" my reaction to them is not correctly proportional to the situation. 

You think this is possible? 

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But this does bring another related problem to light, and it could be that I view too many folks as "the bully;" my reaction to them is not correctly proportional to the situation. 

You think this is possible? 
The fact that you think you are a penguin opens room for bullies.
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The fact that you think you are a penguin opens room for bullies.
I was just kidding about that. 
I was making fun of McMieky for saying he's the best debater in the world. 

This is the only social media platform where I refer to myself as Skipper the penguin.

When I first made this account, I put Skipper as random name. 

But then I made a joke out it by putting Skipper the penguin as my pfp 
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The fact that you think you are a penguin opens room for bullies.
I was just kidding about that. 
I was making fun of McMieky for saying he's the best debater in the world. 

This is the only social media platform where I refer to myself as Skipper the penguin.

When I first made this account, I put Skipper as random name. 

But then I made a joke out it by putting Skipper the penguin as my pfp 
You might need to find a site where they like penguins.
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Dang, are you anti-penguin? I would've never been able to tell by looking at you.

Are you recommending me to a furry website or something? I don't know if I'd be able to relate to a furry 
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Country...Wales UK.

Occupation...Semi-retired, multi tasker.  Currently working part time for a Pharmacy Company.

Religion...None. Though The GOD principle is a sound enough hypothesis.

Priorities...Health and fitness and Immediate family.

Political ideology...Nothing that I can pinpoint. Eclectic but reasonably moderate.
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You sound like me.
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You sound like me.
Both belong to a furry site.