A Belated Defense of UnitedHealthCare

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At first, and for a good long while, I was firmly in the camp of "Brian Thompson is a murderer, the law that declared his actions legal voided the right to reasonably expect that a vigilante wouldn't take him out to avenge his tens of thousands of victims, assuming his killer wasn't one of them". After all, UnitedHealthCare does deny a shocking 32% of all claims. That appeared to me like fraud and indirect murder.

But I happened to dig just a little bit deeper, and here is what I found. In 2024 UHC had a Medical Care Ratio of roughly 85%. This means that, of all the premium money they collect, 85% of it gets paid out in the form of medical care, meaning only 15% is available for administrative costs and profit. With 85% of revenue covering just 68% of claims, then at a hypothetical 100% (e.g. no company employee gets paid and they're all literally working for free out of the goodness of their hearts) that'd still leave UHC with a roughly 20% claim denial rate.

So what's the real problem with UHC? It's cheap healthcare, catering to a low-income base who can't afford better than its premiums (or who enrolled in UHC as a benefit of low-skilled, low-paid jobs in industries like retail or fast food whose employers won't pay for better) but customers expect that their medical bills will be taken care of the same way BCBS or whatnot would. But UHC can't afford to pay out the same as BCBS, because it has a dearth of richer clients paying into the system. They're enrolled in better insurance, which exists on a separate, segregated plane from UHC.

So what could UHC have done differently? Nothing, really. Had they paid out more claims, they would've run out of money. Had they charged higher premiums, fewer people could've afforded to be enrolled with UHC. Popular rage should be redirected toward the root causes of expensive medicine, and not toward a framework that rose to such prominence as a mere reaction to such. This is my understanding, anyway.
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So company wasnt greedy. It was simply healthcare for poor people who pay less money in but get sick more often.

I dont know why US government pays 2 trillions for healthcare if people still have to pay  for healthcare and people still get denied of healthcare somehow.
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However, insurance company should probably inform people about percentage of denied claims historically, if it didnt.

If it did inform them, then I dont see whats there to complain about.
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good arguments
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@n8nrgim
good arguments
How many lives will Brian Thompson’s  killing save?
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The media reports suggest that the company was knowingly using AI that denied claims incorrectly and I guess the insinuation was that it was intentional. Have you looked into the intentional lly employing defective AI accusations?

I guess it would be hard to know without an FPIA request for the findings of the lawsuit and the lawsuit hasn't concluded yet as per my understanding of the situation
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Democrats believed the lie that Obamacare, which mandated the purchase of private insurance, was going to somehow help poor people.

Many still do.
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You can't really blame them for experimenting with AI to improve efficiency.
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Democrats believed the lie that Obamacare, which mandated the purchase of private insurance, was going to somehow help poor people.
It was a good lie. It still is.

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Isn't the lawsuit that they knew the AI was defective? 


Couldn't you test out the AI on past known cases to see how accurate it was? 

I just wonder if the lawsuit has legs and what steps they took
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I doubt it. You are describing a planned genocide with a private company that has no legal immunities like the government would have.
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You can't really blame them for experimenting with AI to improve efficiency.
They were using AI to improve profits.
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The media reports suggest that the company was knowingly using AI that denied claims incorrectly and I guess the insinuation was that it was intentional. Have you looked into the intentional lly employing defective AI accusations?
This doesn't surprise me, but like I wrote, they need some excuse or another to deny a high percentage of their customers or else they'll go bankrupt. At least using AI lowers clerical costs and potentially lets that number be a little lower than it otherwise would.

For reference, see this article: