Is concern for social issues a zero-sum game?

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Every so often, an event will take the media by storm and direct a lot of attention toward some social issue. This will typically happen when people have a lot of spare time. People had time to care about the shooting of George Floyd since everyone was at home, while the death of Peanut was quickly overtaken by the election news cycle. With Republicans controlling all three branches of the US government until at least 2026, it's the perfect time for people to care about some social issue that doesn't directly concern politicians and that they can't do much about but yell on the internet.

In these cases, the news cycle acts as a zero-sum game. The more attention people pay to one issue, the less attention they pay to some other issue. When people act logically, they will focus on issues they can do something about. But when emotion gets involved, all of that goes out the window. If some shocking event dominates the news cycle, we will often see a lot of hatred toward an abstract enemy (capitalism, systemic racism, etc.) and an absence of feasible policy goals. If there were feasible policy solutions, they would have likely been implemented before whatever the shocking event was. Defund the Police, for example, took off because people were angry, but fewer people supported it when police brutality was a statistic to be analyzed and not a litmus test of social awareness. During the riots of 2020, I have to wonder how much energy was dedicated toward a movement with remarkably few policy solutions, and how effectively it could have been spent on other things.

Nonetheless, the greatest difference between the activism regarding racism in 2020 and the discussion on healthcare right now is that at least the George Floyd protests accomplished something. These things were mostly bad, of course: an increase in crime, underfunded police, and embezzlement of donations. But with healthcare, the fact that the working class is in lockstep is almost a guarantee that no policy will be agreed on. It's clear by this point that the current movement has zero agreement on a long-term policy proposal beyond assassinations as an incentive. Much like Defund the Police, this has obvious feasibility issues: so long as the profits from denying claims exceeds the cost of private security, and so long as companies don't want to motivate future assassins, this tactic won't work on its own. If all anyone can agree on is "raising awareness" or "sending a message" then you've probably already lost, since no one has figured out what to do with that awareness.

If the end goal is to overthrow the government or radically change it, and if that's at all feasible, then where are the large-scale protests, the policy solutions, everything that comes between internet activism and policy change? The working class can choose universal agreement or policy solutions, but until everyone can agree on a healthcare system, one will always come at the expense of the other. If the goal of this assassination was to raise awareness, what were people focused on before, and what's the cost of diverting people's attention away from that? Yet for all these flaws, one positive is that people's anger right now is relatively harmless. If this assassination has had a positive effect, it's in diverting attention away from something worse. Plenty of news cycles lead to wars or riots. So far, all that's happened is assassinations becoming less taboo, and at worst that will only get a few people killed. Maybe the real PSYOP is keeping people focused on the class war to keep them from starting an actual war.
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Raising awareness is important, even if it distracts from more important issues.

It is one of the rare opportunities for people to use their brains.

These people work for 8 to 10 hours a day. They come from work very tired and have to rest. They dont have time to think.

Thanks to things like smartphones and entertainment industry, these people have even less time to think.

The masses are stupid because they work a lot while the rest of their time is wasted on entertainment.

Thats how the government keeps people stupid. Its a simple plan: "Give them no time to think".
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Also, while masses likely wont solve anything due to being too stupid, it increases the chances of some smart person hearing their problems and helping to fix them.

Of course, its a small chance, but its their only hope.
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When it comes to focusing on certain issues over the other, as cold as it may be , news media is about money like everything else.

So whatever can make the high ratings in news gets the attention, whether it's a "racial" element , politics especially with severely hated politicians, heavily resented figures, sporting events and weather.

If we get an all time record break of a storm of the century, all news stations will spend resources on that over reporting a "black " on " black" shooting in an urban area somewhere that happens frequently.

I can think of one time, news coverage highlighted a particular football player , just dominated the half hour or hour where there was other news , other things going on besides the world of sports.

When a particular former president died  I think back in 2004 , somewhere round there, news coverage on that dominated and was a continuous focus all day all week long.
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It's inevitable in a utopian society (or 1st world nation) that people with no gratitude will only have hate and fear left as the driving forces of behavior.

In first-world societies, the gradual decline of religion as a cultural cornerstone with objective, constant values has left a void that individuals and communities instinctively seek to fill. People seek to fill this void due to the inherited biological herd instincts. Religion provides not only a sense of meaning and purpose but also a framework for gratitude, humility, and civic moral responsibility (basic herd maintenance.) As these traditional systems of belief have all but faded, particularly in secular, affluent societies like the USA, the cheap replacement is vapid virtue signaling as a new form of "moral expression." It prioritizes external validation, with individuals projecting their alignment to manufactured social causes or ideals only to gain approval. This fundamental shift in the basis of "morality" is the reason for the weak moral fiber of society. One way this is manifested is how easily people will become both "pro war" and "Anti war" at the whim of a few memes within the same year. A person grounded in a firmer base of morality would have strong convictions that wouldn't flip flop so much.
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In first-world societies, the gradual decline of religion as a cultural cornerstone with objective, constant values has left a void that individuals and communities instinctively seek to fill. People seek to fill this void due to the inherited biological herd instincts. Religion provides not only a sense of meaning and purpose but also a framework for gratitude, humility, and civic moral responsibility (basic herd maintenance.) As these traditional systems of belief have all but faded, particularly in secular, affluent societies like the USA, the cheap replacement is vapid virtue signaling as a new form of "moral expression." It prioritizes external validation, with individuals projecting their alignment to manufactured social causes or ideals only to gain approval. This fundamental shift in the basis of "morality" is the reason for the weak moral fiber of society. One way this is manifested is how easily people will become both "pro war" and "Anti war" at the whim of a few memes within the same year. A person grounded in a firmer base of morality would have strong convictions that wouldn't flip flop so much.
More wars have been waged in the name of religion than any other reasons.
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false premise.

The claim that "more wars have been waged in the name of religion than any other reasons" is both an example of begging the question and based on a false premise. It begs the question by assuming that wars labeled as religious were primarily motivated by religion without critically examining the underlying causes. Many wars often attributed to religion, such as the Crusades or the Thirty Years' War, were also driven by political, territorial, and economic factors. By assuming religion as the primary cause, the claim skips over the need to prove that religion was the central motivator, instead presenting it as a given.

The false premise lies in the idea that religion is the dominant cause of most wars, which is historically inaccurate. A closer look at major conflicts reveals that the majority were driven by non-religious factors. Territorial expansion, such as Alexander the Great's conquests or the Mongol invasions, dominated ancient and medieval conflicts. Political ideologies, including World War I, World War II, and the Cold War, were fueled by nationalism, imperialism, and ideological rivalries like communism versus capitalism. Additionally, economic motivations, such as control over resources or trade routes, have sparked numerous wars, including the Opium Wars and the Gulf War. These examples show that religion, while sometimes a contributing factor, is rarely the sole cause.

Ultimately, this claim misrepresents history by failing to distinguish between wars genuinely rooted in religious motivations and those where religion was merely a pretext. By ignoring the complex interplay of political, economic, and territorial factors, it simplifies history to fit a narrative. This not only distorts the truth but also overlooks the deeper causes of conflict, which often go far beyond religion.

Throughout history, the morality of war under various religions has remained relatively consistent, rooted in enduring principles and doctrines. Religions often provided clear frameworks for when war could be justified and how it should be conducted, such as Christianity's "just war" theory, Islam's concept of jihad, or Hinduism's guidance in the Bhagavad Gita. These religious teachings emphasized rules like proportionality, protection of non-combatants, and war as a last resort, offering a moral foundation that transcended time and cultural shifts. While these principles were not always followed perfectly, they provided a stable ethical compass.

In contrast, today, the morality of war is often shaped by the volatile forces of media soundbites and prevailing social memes. Public perception of war is frequently influenced by narratives tailored for mass consumption, where complex geopolitical realities are reduced to slogans or viral clips. This creates a reactive morality, where wars are judged not by consistent principles but by how well they align with or deviate from the dominant narrative of the moment. A war might be seen as just or unjust based on how it is framed in media coverage rather than on a thorough analysis of motives, actions, or outcomes.

This shift has profound implications. Unlike the relatively stable moral frameworks provided by religion, today’s media-driven ethics are highly fluid and susceptible to manipulation. The morality of a war can change as quickly as public opinion does, leading to inconsistent judgments and policies. Where religious principles once served to constrain and guide decision-makers, modern wars are often judged more by emotional appeal and trending discourse, leaving their morality dependent on the fleeting values of the moment rather than enduring ethical standards.

The founding Fathers once quipped that the Constitution could only work in a morally bound society. If that society loses its morals, the Constitution morphs from a bastion into a euthanasia manifesto.

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false premise.
'60 percent of conflicts are in Muslim countries' Over religion.
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The Tao constrains war by emphasizing harmony, balance, and the avoidance of unnecessary conflict. Rooted in the teachings of Laozi and the Tao Te Ching, Taoism views war as a disruption of the natural order and a failure to maintain balance. While acknowledging that war may sometimes be unavoidable, the Tao advocates for it as a last resort, to be undertaken only when all other means of restoring harmony have failed. Even when conflict occurs, it must be conducted with humility and restraint, minimizing harm and avoiding unnecessary suffering. The Tao discourages aggression, pride, or the glorification of power, seeing such attitudes as contrary to the natural way. After war, it emphasizes reflection and healing to restore balance, reinforcing that war is never to be celebrated but approached with sorrow for the disruption it causes.
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'60 percent of conflicts are in Muslim countries' Over religion.
Curiously, the other 40% of Muslim nations have no exploitable oil.

So you are wrong.

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The Myth of Religion as the Cause of Most Wars
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The Tao constrains war by emphasizing harmony, balance, and the avoidance of unnecessary conflict.
Tao also teaches to abolish police and to have small government and not to overwork people, but people dont understand Tao so they think what they are doing is good.

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The point of religion (like Tao) is for people to police themselves.
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The point of religion (like Tao) is for people to police themselves.
It actually takes 300 IQ to understand that paying for 1 million prisoners, for judges, for guards, for investigators, for trials, for prosecutors... and still failing to prevent most crime while also imprisoning some innocents in the process and also reducing available workforce for economy...

Just means the effect isnt worth the cost.
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Are Muslim countries more prone to violence? - SAGE Journals
place in Muslim countries, and they all involved Islamist insurgents. The same was the case in 2011. For 2014 the fraction of conflicts occurring in Muslim countries was lower (60%), but still way abo...
Wikipedia
Religious war - Wikipedia
A religious war or a war of religion, sometimes also known as a holy war (Latin: sanctum bellum), is a war
The majority of refugees come from Christian and muslim countries. People displaced because of the religious beliefs and conflict.
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I am a republican. I know a free market solution to these problems isn't going to happen. 

Almost everyone is ready to agree on single payer. There is only one problem. We can't trust the government. We see news stories from England where children are denied an opportunity to try and save their own life by throwing spaghetti at the problem and seeing what helps. We see Euthanasia being promoted. Not merely being presented as an option but almost pushed on the elderly and I have seen even middle aged people looking at Euthanasia as an option who admit they just don't want to be homeless but can't work. So they are in pain but the pain is not what makes life unbearable. We hear of 6 month wait times for procedures that should be life saving. We even have the Canadian government refusing healthcare to those who refuse covid vaccines. 

We just need our representatives to be human beings and prove that we will not turn into a society that uses socialized medicine as a stick to make freedom loving people comply, or that beurocrats will be deciding if a kid lives or dies based on some inhuman math about the value of their life in respects to the treatment attempts. We don't want the government promoting Euthanasia because some politician has looked into the numbers and realizes it can reduce end of life costs. 

A free market approach won't work because the general population is too stupid and weak to deal with the painful short term consequences for better long term health care, and we literally see liberals pushing retarded shit and nobody on the right wants tax payer money going for transitions but letting kids die rather than at least attempting to save them with experimental treatments.
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So we need to see the democrats stand up to the leftists in their own party in order to trust them with a single payer solution. We also need to be able to trust them to put people first and not be needs who try to quantify the value of a human life with their healthcare rationing proposals. 
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A free market approach won't work because the general population is too stupid and weak to deal with the painful short term consequences for better long term health care
Stupid people choose short term solution and long term pain. Smart people choose short term pain and long term solution.

Since most people who vote are stupid, they choose short term solution and long term pain.

We can see this happening everywhere, even in regular life. People go into debt to pay for current expenses, then when future expenses come, they must pay for debt and for expenses. This is so called debt trap.

People just want simple and quick solutions, but such dont even exist. Every actual solution is almost always complicated and not very quick.
For example, if your current wage doesnt meet expenses, the actual solution is to either get a better job, or to reduce expenses by changing diet and saving money in all areas. However, this requires advanced planning, even being ready to be hungry. 

But people want simple quick solution, so they go into debt, which places them in worse or equally bad position later.

There are many solutions to healthcare. Like, you could just give poor people basic income while also encouraging them to work, so they have enough money for private healthcare if needed. You can also teach people to live healthier lives, so healthcare isnt as needed. These are long term solutions.

Short term solution is "government pays for healthcare". It started simple, but now government pays 2 trillions for healthcare a year in addition to the fact that healthcare still isnt even close to being free. Thats just nonsense, but it seems neither party is willing to abolish the nonsense.
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President Dwight David Eisenhower, perhaps the last real Republican, had a 90 percent tax rate for the super rich during his administration.
Eisenhower explained it this way: The super rich could avoid the high taxes by investing their money in things that make America stronger. If they wanted to avoid high taxes, he said they could invest in business expansions and higher employee wages. They could give a million or two to tax-exempt non-profits that feed, house and clothe poor people of America, among other things.
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So we need to see the democrats stand up to the leftists in their own party in order to trust them with a single payer solution. We also need to be able to trust them to put people first and not be needs who try to quantify the value of a human life with their healthcare rationing proposals. 
Universal healthcare is the solution. Countries that offer it have improved the human condition.
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Trump should donate 90% of the money he stole from George Snuffleupagus.
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Trump should donate 90% of the money he stole from George Snuffleupagus.
Trump won the case against George Stephanopoulos to the tune of $15 million. He gets to keep it.
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the shooting of George Floyd
George Floyd killed himself with drugs, he was not shot.


but until everyone can agree on a healthcare system
Free market means we don't have to agree on a system.

So until everyone can agree on a free market...



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George Floyd...was not shot.
Sorry, I mixed that up. Can't edit it now though.

Free market means we don't have to agree on a system.
Well, you'd have to agree to change the law.
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I literally already pointed out the problems but here is the raw numbers broken down showing the inferiority of socialized medicine.

https://fee.org/articles/if-american-healthcare-kills-european-healthcare-kills-more/
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I literally already pointed out the problems but here is the raw numbers broken down showing the inferiority of socialized medicine.

America led the world in Covid related deaths at 1.3 million.
US spends most on health care but has worst health outcomes among high-income countries, new report finds
The United States spends more on health care than any other high-income country but still has the lowest life expectancy at birth and the highest rate of people with multiple chronic diseases, according to a new report from The Commonwealth Fund, an independent research group.

US healthcare covid file
New poll shows jump in adults who rate the quality of US health care as 'poor'
The report, released Tuesday, also says that compared with peer nations, the US has the highest rates of deaths from avoidable or treatable causes and the highest maternal and infant death rates.
“Americans are living shorter, less healthy lives because our health system is not working as well as it could be,” the report’s lead author, Munira Gunja, senior researcher for The Commonwealth Fund’s International Program in Health Policy and Practice Innovation, said in a news release. “To catch up with other high-income countries, the administration and Congress would have to expand access to health care, act aggressively to control costs, and invest in health equity and social services we know can lead to a healthier population.”

US comes in last in health care rankings of high-income countries
People in the US see doctors less often than those in most other countries, which is probably related to the US having a below-average number of practicing physicians, according to the report, and the US is the only country among those studied that doesn’t have universal health coverage. In 2021 alone, 8.6% of the US population was uninsured.

“Not only is the U.S. the only country we studied that does not have universal health coverage, but its health system can seem designed to discourage people from using services,” researchers at the Commonwealth Fund, headquartered in New York, wrote in the report. “Affordability remains the top reason why some Americans do not sign up for health coverage, while high out-of-pocket costs lead nearly half of working-age adults to skip or delay getting needed care.”

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America led the world in Covid related deaths at 1.3 million.
Cause they are fat asses. Now read the article and it's data which is relevant not irrelevant shit like higher mortality rates due to Americans being fat fucks. You want to look at numbers relevant to healthcare not muddy the data with statistics about Americans choosing to be fat fucks. 
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America led the world in Covid related deaths at 1.3 million.
Cause they are fat asses. Now read the article and it's data which is relevant not irrelevant shit like higher mortality rates due to Americans being fat fucks. You want to look at numbers relevant to healthcare not muddy the data with statistics about Americans choosing to be fat fucks. 
Obesity is a health problem in America.
The latest estimates are that approximately 34% of adults and 15–20% of children and adolescents in the U.S. are obese. Obesity affects every segment of the U.S. population. Obesity increases the risk of many chronic diseases in children and adults.