How to reduce food expenses by 90% in a somewhat unhealthy way

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Now, I will take the example of USA, but principle applies to any country.

You probably thought I will tell you to go vegan or go plant walnuts.

No, this doesnt exactly require you to give up on meat or to go planting nut trees.

It is just unhealthy, but reduces food costs significantly.

A simple principle is such that the main role of food is to give you calories.

Thus, food which gives most calories per the price of 1$ is best.

These 3 foods come out on top:

1. Sugar
2. Cooking oil
3. Protein

Sugar and cooking oil give you huge number of calories.

Cooking oil has 8000 calories in 1 liter.

Sugar has over 3000 calories in one kilogram.

Sugar is very cheap, and cooking oil is very cheap too, when it comes to the amount of calories it gives you.

Even if you need 2000 calories a day, just 1 liter of cooking oil has enough calories to fuel you for four days.
Also, just two kilograms of sugar have enough calories to fuel you for 3 days.

Now, I am not suggesting  that you drink 300 mililiters of cooking oil a day to get all calories you need for the day from oil.

No.

Oil gives you calories from fat. But you need sugar too. 

You need fat, sugar and protein to have complete calories.

So you can get 900 calories from cooking oil (100 mililiters of cooking oil), 900 calories from sugar (250 grams of sugar), and 200 calories from protein (50 grams of protein).

This gives you 2000 calories.

Now, I am not suggesting that you drink cooking oil directly. It is usually used with other food, and you dont use 100 mililiters all at once but in multiple meals throughout day. On its own, cooking oil tastes like crap, even if not harmful.

Now, someone might say "I dont want so much fat or so much sugar".

Let me explain this in a way that you will understand. All calories are either fat, sugar, protein or alcohol.

There are no other types of calories, and its not realistic to think you can get over 200 calories from protein unless you are a serious body builder.

So the remaining 1800 calories you can only get from sugar, fat or alcohol.

Alcohol is both expensive and way more unhealthy way, so you are left with sugar and fat.

Food you eat daily contains either lots of sugar either lots of fat. There is no 3rd option unless you get calories from alcohol.

I simply cut out the middle man, and instead of buying sugar in form of chocolate, simply buy sugar in form of actual sugar itself which is much cheaper.
Instead of buying fat in form of sandwitches, simply buy fat in cheaper form, so buy fat in form of cooking oil.

So since cooking oil is cheapest way to buy fat, and sugar is cheapest way to get sugar, using these two can actually cut down your expenses more than any other food group.

The final calories you want is protein. Now, you dont want too much protein.

Its simply because protein is way too expensive. Like, 200 calories of protein (50 grams of protein) would cost you more than sugar and oil.

However, you can buy protein itself instead of getting it from food and then take how much you think is right for you.

Protein on its own costs less than getting it from meat or other forms.

As for vitamins and calcium and other stuff, you can use supplements combined with some vegetables, fruit, grains but in small amount just to complete the nutrition so nothing is lacking and you are not paying too much for it either.

Also, its really easy to get fat on this diet, so make sure you know how much calories you use per day. Reduce fat, sugar and protein intake as necessary.

900 calories from cooking oil means 1 liter of cooking oil lasts you for about 10 days.

1 kilogram of sugar would last you 3 to 4 days.

Protein depends on how much protein you want, but a protein supplement of 2 kilograms would last you 40 days if you use 50 grams of protein per day.

Thats it for calories, but reduce fat, sugar and protein as you increase fruit, vegetables and grains, since these too contain some calories. Now, if you use multivitamin supplement, it usually has no calories, just vitamins.

And always make sure you are getting all nutrients you need, at least in form of supplements if nothing else.

This diet costs about 50$ to 80$ per month in USA, depending where you live.

Its about the cheapest diet there is for 2000 calories.

Now, if you need less than 2000 calories daily, price goes down even further.

This diet isnt exactly considered healthy, but if you want healthy, you have to pay much more.
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This diet costs about 60$ per month, but in USA, you can also use food stamps to reduce cost to 0$.
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You guys complained that food is expensive in USA. I just proved it isnt. You guys just choose to buy expensive stuff.
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Remember that Siddhartha ate one grain of rice per day. I only eat 800 calories a day and I'm 180 pounds.
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Yes. Its also about metabolism rate.

The recommended intake is 2000 calories, but I eat about 1200.

I sleep longer, so my metabolism is lower than in average person. Also, one to two meals per day instead of 3 or 4 meals.

If I ate 2000 calories a day, I would be way too overweight. Even now I am not skinny. I have extra weight even with 1200 calories a day.
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You guys complained that food is expensive in USA. I just proved it isnt. You guys just choose to buy expensive stuff.
Saying there are cheaper options (than the average expenses) does not disprove that food is expensive.

Also your idea of "just buy protein" is insanely ignorant. The cheapest extracted protein is from milk, and this shouldn't surprise you: It's always cheaper to buy the milk.

What is one of the main examples people give of a staple that has gotten more expensive?

Chicken eggs are the cheapest widely available source of protein, and they have a lot of cholesterol but you clearly don't care if your proposed diet ends in death in three years.

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The cheapest extracted protein is from milk, and this shouldn't surprise you: It's always cheaper to buy the milk.
You can buy 2 kilograms of protein for less than 40 dollars, as a supplement.

1 liter of milk has about 40 protein. So you would need 50 liters of milk to get 2 kilograms of protein. With 1$ per liter, its still 50$.

Its not exactly cheaper to buy milk, but its just close enough, so I guess you can buy milk instead of a supplement.

Chicken eggs are the cheapest widely available source of protein, and they have a lot of cholesterol but you clearly don't care if your proposed diet ends in death in three years.
Chicken eggs cost 3$ per dozen. However, dozen chicken eggs have about 70 protein. To get 700 protein from them, you would need 30$.

So suppmenet is still way cheaper, at 30 to 40$ for 2 kilograms of protein.

Now, this diet probably wont kill anyone in three years. Sure, it might shorten your life span, but it should be more like eating junk food and bunch of chocolates, since you are getting same stuff just in different and cheaper form.
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Now, if you dont like oil, sugar and protein, there is another option.

Wheat is very cheap. Now, it cant be eaten raw, but I heard some people cook wheat and eat it.

I am not talking about wheat flour, but wheat itself.
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The cheapest extracted protein is from milk, and this shouldn't surprise you: It's always cheaper to buy the milk.
You can buy 2 kilograms of protein for less than 40 dollars, as a supplement.
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5 lb is more than 2 kilograms, by the way.
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There are some which arent pure protein by the way, but they are worthy to buy because you get vitamins and fat or sugar as well in there, so you dont have to consume as much fat or sugar from other sources.
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First result:

Nutrition Facts:

60 servings, 20g protein per serving

1200g of protein.

1200g = 1.2 kg

Cost $50
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There are other results there, but its usually a mix of protein and something else, so you are not getting just protein.

I guess milk also gives some other nutrients, but it depends on how much milk costs where you live. If its under 1$, then its better than those powders.
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There are other results there
Then why were you not specific?


I guess milk also gives some other nutrients
Yes, it is as close to complete as any other single source.

Berries + milk is 95% of the way to a complete diet. The nutrition of yogurt is almost identical to milk (almost like it's just slightly fermented milk).

Whey protein is made from milk and the only difference between whey protein and powdered milk is that they take the other nutrients out of whey protein.

In the end you have asserted "It's cheaper to buy powdered milk with some nutrients removed than it is to buy milk" which would be an absurd economic reality if it was real, which it is not.

Yes it does simplify logistics to be able to store the product without refrigeration and without a time limit to deliver to market; but assuming generally even production (which is a good assumption) directly delivering and consuming dairy simply skips the unnecessary steps.

In other words, only in regions without dairy farms would it be reasonable to expect powdered milk to be a cheaper option.
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So milk, oil and sugar are cheapest foods in USA if you live in area where milk is cheap.

I didnt give too much thought to protein in USA.

I guess it is much more expensive than fat or sugar generally, but milk is a cheap source of protein.

It is cheaper than powder in some areas, but general problem with milk is that unless its delivered to you, you would be wasting money going out to buy it often.

With oil and sugar, they store well. Sugar is almost eternal, and oil can last for year. So is powder.

So you save money by not going out to buy often.

But milk spoils easily, and unless you have free delivery willing to deliver smaller amounts often and at price of 1$ per liter or less, or unless you have store near you selling for 1$ or less, then you are going to have a problem.
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Berries + milk
Berries are expensive and have almost no calories. Why would you buy them? If you are buying food for vitamins, iron,  calcium...ect. it should also be at cheaper price and at least offering some calories.

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Anyway, you guys complained how food in usa is expensive.

Sugar costs less than 1$ per kilogram, and 10 kilograms of sugar can last whole month.

Thats 10$ for sugar.

Cooking oil has variety of prices, but even if we take the 4$ per liter, you need 3 to 4 cooking oils per month.

Thats 16 dollars, plus 10 for sugar = 26.

Milk would cost you 50$, so 76$ in total.

76$ in total for all monthly calories and some vitamins and calcium too.