Paper Mario Chapter 3

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Lynched Day 2
Cerulean
You are The Master! The master of a dojo in Toads Town, you offer optional fights and train your apprentices. Your final form is one of the most challenging fight in the game. Given that you are optional and how hard you are to fight (at least relatively), you are the 2x Commuter Survivor! Every odd night, you have the option to leave town and are unable to be targeted by any night actions for that night. You win with yourself when either Town or Mafia accomplish their win condition. Note, You DO NOT joint win.

Killed Night 2
Lunatic
Kammy Koopa -
You are Kammy Koopa! Kammy Koopa is Bowser’s second in command and is a feared elderly Magikoopa. You routinely report to Bowser and coordinate with your minions to achieve your goals. Therefore, you are the Watcher! Every night you may pick a player to watch and learn who had visited them that night, if any. You win with the Town.

PLAYER LIST

1. Pie
2. Casey
3. Wylted
4. Barney
5. Skipper

With 5 players left alive, it takes 3 to lynch. The Day ends in 72 hours, or 7PM EST 11/17.

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Note, JoeBob is replacing Barney. Please ignore the error in the OP.
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The game is solved tbh

No fucks given

VTL Skipper

i was going to make pie beg me to vote skipper but whatever. 

Dude said he roleblocked cerulean not jailkept and was a little too careful about disclosing whether he was on discord or not

Really good job for first game and rolling scum on top of that
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Nobody taking the bait

Unvote 
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During dp1, I was not told anything, but I am now assuming that my ability didn't go into effect because due to Cerulean's character, he couldn't have been targeted by anything since it was odd numbered night.

During np2, I roleblocked JoeBob/Barney, and I was told it was confirmed. Lunatic died though, so I'm pretty sure that Pie is the other Mafia since I don't think WyIted or Casey is one 
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Why barney?
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Why barney?
He hasn't given much for his innocence, just gave reasons why he can't be on very much which do sound legitimate, but it provides him with an easier way to not have to defend himself from suspicion. 

Why Barney over Pie? I could've picked either one, but I felt like Barney could've been logging on and killing someone and then just logging off. We don't suspect him of being quiet 
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So couple of things.

1) Cerulean didn’t joint win with anyone, so good that we lynched him cause he would’ve stolen our dub

2) He was an odd night Commuter, so he definitely used his action. No reason for him not to. That means if Skipper targeted Cerulean, his action would fail, but it didn’t. We also know that Luna’s action did fail (and he was notified of that). This means that Skipper targeted Luna NP1 but lied about it. Also note that the justification for Skipper is non existent unlike everyone else.

3) If you don’t believe the above and think both Luna and Skipper are town, then you would have to believe Skipper was redirected to Luna without scum even knowing what Skipper’s role is, which makes zero sense.

I think the game is solved. Scum is Skipper/Barney.
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During dp1, I was not told anything,
Sorry, in Post #5 I meant to say night phase 1, not day phase. My roleblock on Cerulean was not confirmed
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How am I the only reason Lunatic's ability failed? 
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I hate thinking like this but I know that a loss to Skipper us going to be significantly more embarrassing than a loss to anyone else here. We also have a second scum as well so it's worth taking this slow
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How am I the only reason Lunatic's ability failed? 
I don’t blame you, you’re partner was super inactive
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I hate thinking like this but I know that a loss to Skipper is going to be significantly more embarrassing than a loss to anyone else here. We also have a second scum as well so it's worth taking this slow
I think it’s obviously Joe (Barney) and Skipper. I’m 100% on Skipper and like 97% on Barney. If Casey fake claimed Hated, they deserve the win. That’s a ballsy fake claim to make. You can’t be scum cause Skipper is scum. 

One of you and Skipper has to be scum cause 3 role failing roles make zero sense, especially with 2 powerful investigative roles.
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You believe I didn't roleblock Cerulean but instead roleblocked Lunatic because he was told his ability failed. Before dp1 ended, I gave my thoughts on Mhar and Luna, and then later we were told Mharman was lynched and actually a townie. I could see someone thinking that because Mhar was innocent, I may have then suspected Luna so I roleblocked him.

But Luna wasn't my first or even my second option for scum and probably not my third either. There were others I would've targeted before him. I was suspicious of Ceru during dp1 
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You believe I didn't roleblock Cerulean but instead roleblocked Lunatic because he was told his ability failed. Before dp1 ended, I gave my thoughts on Mhar and Luna, and then later we were told Mharman was lynched and actually a townie. I could see someone thinking that because Mhar was innocent, I may have then suspected Luna so I roleblocked him. 
You probably didn’t even do the actions. But let me explain. As mafia, you and Barney/Joe know that Mharman and Luna are town. So you know that after Mharman was lynched, Luna is still alive and is a Toen Watcher. Thus, Barney/Joe has you roleblock Luna, so he couldn’t use his action and possibly catch the killer

But Luna wasn't my first or even my second option for scum and probably not my third either. There were others I would've targeted before him. I was suspicious of Ceru during dp1 
You’re mafia. Whatever you say, I don’t believe. You’ve been caught in a lie, and your role’s existence doesn’t make sense with Wylted’s role existence. From your POV, Wylted should be scum.
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What did you do last night?
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One of you and Skipper has to be scum cause 3 role failing roles make zero sense, especially with 2 powerful investigative roles.
What are the three roles that failed? Did this happen in one night? 
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What are the three roles that failed? Did this happen in one night? 
Commuter causes actions to fail
Ascetic causes actions to fail
Jailkeeper causes actions to fail
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You believe I didn't roleblock Cerulean but instead roleblocked Lunatic because he was told his ability failed. Before dp1 ended, I gave my thoughts on Mhar and Luna, and then later we were told Mharman was lynched and actually a townie. I could see someone thinking that because Mhar was innocent, I may have then suspected Luna so I roleblocked him. 
You probably didn’t even do the actions. But let me explain. As mafia, you and Barney/Joe know that Mharman and Luna are town. So you know that after Mharman was lynched, Luna is still alive and is a Toen Watcher. Thus, Barney/Joe has you roleblock Luna, so he couldn’t use his action and possibly catch the killer

That all depends on me to have actually been telling the truth that I have the Jailbreaker role. If was Mafia, wouldn't I have lied about that and said I have a different role? 

But Luna wasn't my first or even my second option for scum and probably not my third either. There were others I would've targeted before him. I was suspicious of Ceru during dp1 
You’re mafia. Whatever you say, I don’t believe. You’ve been caught in a lie, and your role’s existence doesn’t make sense with Wylted’s role existence. From your POV, Wylted should be scum.
Me not having the best insight into who I should think is scum does not mean I am mafia. You're conjoining two separate points
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That all depends on me to have actually been telling the truth that I have the Jailbreaker role. If was Mafia, wouldn't I have lied about that and said I have a different role? 
Ya, I think you’re a Mafia Roleblocker.

Me not having the best insight into who I should think is scum does not mean I am mafia. You're conjoining two separate points
I know, but it just shows you’re noob scum.
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One of you and Skipper has to be scum cause 3 role failing roles make zero sense, especially with 2 powerful investigative roles.
What are the three roles that failed? Did this happen in one night? 
Commuter causes actions to fail
Ascetic causes actions to fail
Jailkeeper causes actions to fail
Oh, I misunderstood what you were saying there. I thought your English was messing up or something. So you were saying that there are three roles that have the ability to roleblock or "role-fail" as you said. I thought you were saying that three abilities were used, and all of them failed. 

After brushing up on what the roles do from the google docs list, those three roles do not seem crazy to be present in one game. The reason being that two of them are passive--Commuter and Ascetic--and only one is active--Jailkeeper
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That all depends on me to have actually been telling the truth that I have the Jailbreaker role. If was Mafia, wouldn't I have lied about that and said I have a different role? 
Ya, I think you’re a Mafia Roleblocker.
Dude, if I was scum with a roleblocking ability, I would not have said out loud what my ability was. Maybe there are strategies to that, but not a good one in this game right now. 

What makes you think I lied about roleblocking Cerulean? Is it only because Luna's ability failed? Would you clarify the chronological line of thought that you had to suspect me? For example, did you first suspect me because you think I lied, or because Luna's ability failed? 


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Right now I am trying to figure out if Skippy or joebob/barney is more certain. I think we have to wait and see where Casey wants to go
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The reason being that two of them are passive--Commuter and Ascetic--and only one is active--Jailkeeper
Commuter is active. A Commuter can choose whether to commute or not. Only Ascetic is passive. 
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Dude, if I was scum with a roleblocking ability, I would not have said out loud what my ability was. Maybe there are strategies to that, but not a good one in this game right now. 
That's a WIFOM argument. I've seen mafia make very risky and ballsy plays before and get away with it. 
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Guys, I think I have been misinterpreting what Earth told me since the game first started.

I was rereading what Earth told me, and the message doesn't actually specifically say I am a townsfolk. It only says "you win with the town." I would've been told explicitly that I am on the town, right? I think this means I am really a third-party player. That makes sense since my character description is of being a gang leader, like I have my own business to attend to.

I think I put this whole party on tilt when I said at the beginning I was town
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Right now I am trying to figure out if Skippy or joebob/barney is more certain. I think we have to wait and see where Casey wants to go 
I'm thinking it over rn. I'd like to see what JoeBob has to say first. 
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I was rereading what Earth told me, and the message doesn't actually specifically say I am a townsfolk. It only says "you win with the town." I would've been told explicitly that I am on the town, right? I think this means I am really a third-party player.
No, that means you're town. 
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Commuter is active. A Commuter can choose whether to commute or not. Only Ascetic is passive.
Yeah, that makes sense. My mistake
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Right now I am trying to figure out if Skippy or joebob/barney is more certain. I think we have to wait and see where Casey wants to go
Skippy is more certain. I’ll explain why:

1) We know based on Graveyard that Cerulean is the Odd Night Commuter Survivor. He only has 2 shots though. But mathematically the game has very little chance of having an NP5. This its more than likely that Cerulean used his commute NP1, making him untargetable.

2) Skippy claims he targeted Cerulean NP1. If he did, he should’ve received a message from Earth saying: “Your action failed” because Cerulean commuted NP1. Skippy never said that his action failed and claims he never got a message from Earth, which has to be a lie if he’s telling the truth about targeting Cerulean

3) Luna claimed that his action failed NP1. We know for a fact that he was telling the truth (because he’s town). We also know that at that point, Mafia would’ve thought that Luna was either the Cop, Doc, or Watcher. Logically it makes sense to either kill him or roleblock him. Killing him is risky because there could be another protective role out there, or he could self protect if he was the Doctor. Roleblocking him is safer, which Skippy likely did.

4) Behaviorally, I wasn’t with Mharman and Luna who were suspecting Skipper. But I’ve also said in the past that it’s hard to read noobs, especially those who are in their first game. 

5) Logistically there are supposedly 3 role-failing roles. If Wylted is really the Ascetic and we know that Ceru was commuted, scum should have one too. It’s would be a perfect 1-1-1. This is the weak mod psyche, but you’ve gotta see the satisfaction as a mod of the Trinity.