The problem with free speech absolutism

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MAGA: Hate speech is free speech!  If it's incorrect, then use counter speech to correct it.

Me: If the counter speech comes from a left source, then you say it's leftist propaganda.  If the counter speech comes from a neutral source, then you say it's deep state propaganda.  If the counter speech comes from a right wing source, then you say it's RINO propaganda.  

Counter speech doesn't work on those who are in a cult!  All speech they disagree with they assume is propoganda and they dismiss it, no matter how accurate the propoganda is.

That's why I think the only type of political speech that should be allowed is speech that adds to the following program produced by the free market:

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All political speech is hate-speech, propaganda, and allowable. 

There's no need to parse any further.
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Yes, but if you're not willing to be convinced, then there is no point in exchanging free speech with you.

Are you willing to be convinced to support Harris over Trump?  If not, then there is no point in people exercising their free speech to you on these issues and therefore, if you are unwilling to be convinced to hate Trump, then you cannot convince me to like him because the willingness to be convinced must be 2 way; otherwise there is no point in us wasting each other's time.
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I made the poli program viewable.  My bad.
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MAGA: Hate speech is free speech! If it's incorrect, then use counter speech to correct it.

Me: If the counter speech comes from a left source, then you say it's leftist propaganda.  
There is a bit of a difference between being pro free speech and also being willing to call out propaganda. Not sure why anyone would be retarded enough to believe that calling out propaganda means you don't respect people's right to hear propaganda
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Essentially the liberal response to misinformation and propaganda that harms their side is ban it. The co sedative response is  to personally call it out but respect freedom. 

That is the essential difference between conservatives and liberal.

Liberal vegan- ban meat

Conservative vegan- keep it legal but personally discourage it.

Liberal gay person- force preachers to marry me

Conservative gay person- maybe we should find somebody willing to marry us and not get the government involved to force some preacher. 

Liberal non smoker- let's ban indoor smoking

Conservative non smoker- let's not patronize businesses that allow people to smoke.

Either you are a Conservative or you want to force your beliefs on others. It s the o ly difference
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There is a bit of a difference between being pro free speech and also being willing to call out propaganda. Not sure why anyone would be retarded enough to believe that calling out propaganda means you don't respect people's right to hear propaganda
To you, "propaganda"="fact/opinion that I disagree with".   If you are unwilling to be convinced by what you deem propaganda, then there is no point in trying to change your mind.

Liberal vegan- ban meat

Conservative vegan- keep it legal but personally discourage it.
90% of the population eats meat.  It's not going anywhere.  Conservatives have actually wanted to ban lab grown meat.

Liberal gay person- force preachers to marry me

Conservative gay person- maybe we should find somebody willing to marry us and not get the government involved to force some preacher.
I'm with the conservatives here.

Liberal non smoker- let's ban indoor smoking

Conservative non smoker- let's not patronize businesses that allow people to smoke.
And here

Lets add some others:

Liberal religious person: Finds homosexuality sinful; doesn't want to ban gay marriage and force their beliefs on gay people at the state level (ie banning gay marriage in Alabama).

Conservative religious person: Finds homosexuality sinful; wants to ban gay marriage and force their beliefs on gay people at the state level (ie banning gay marriage in Alabama).

There's a reason why liberal and liberty have many letters in common.