Maybe Kamala Harris could have won the election if the democrats had actually tried to win people over to their side by rational means. Instead, we saw claims of how stupid Trump supporters are, how they're all crazy, and how they support a madman. We saw ads that appealed exclusively to emotion with the only statistics being ridiculously exaggerated, quickly making democratic news sources seem unreliable. Moreover, they constantly doubled down on things like DEI which, as a democrat, I think is stupid and many other democrats also think is stupid. They refused to be flexible. They refused to read the room. They refused to be reasonable. Now they've paid the price.
The democrats lost because they were stupid
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@Math_Enthusiast
No, Trump won because Republicans are stupid. Project 2025 will destroy the USA.
I wouldn't normally solicit forum topics like this, but these topics have been rapidly buried under all the election chaos, so I figured I would post a link to these topics here in case anyone is interested in discussing something that isn't the election right now: Preserving the human condition, A Mathematician's Lament
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@FLRW
No, Trump won because Republicans are stupid. Project 2025 will destroy the USA.
I agree that Project 2025 is a serious threat to our democracy, but my point is that this could have been prevented! Democrats simply were not smart about campaigning. Their advertising was an absolute disaster!
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@FLRW
Saying things like "the Republicans are stupid" may seem harmless (and I'm not disputing its truth either), but it was the constant demeaning of the other side, among other things, that lost the democrats the election.
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@Math_Enthusiast
Christians have proved that they would rather elect Hitler than to have a woman to be their president.
You have to understand that Christians dont vote based on logic. They vote based on faith, which is why Trump can get away with making false promises over and over and it works every time.
In 2016, it was "I will pay off the debt" lol?
In 2024, it is "I will stop all wars"
Nothing can be done about it. Low IQ people think in emotions and whatever promise feels good, they accept it.
Its not Kamala's fault that 70 million people in USA have 90 IQ.
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@Math_Enthusiast
Maybe Kamala Harris could have won the election if the democrats had actually tried to win people over to their side by rational means
That's a "damned if you do damned if you don't" situation.
Like "If Hitler hadn't killed the jews Germany would have been better off"
Yea that's obviously true, but then he wouldn't be Hitler. If they had given me a rational honest person as an alternative and not destroyed the rule of law by trying to imprison political rivals I would have gone for him/her, but they left me no choice and they left the public no choice because of what they are.
So the better way to put this would be: Maybe if they had nominated RFK they could have won, but RFK is a threat to the deep state and the deep state controls the traditional press and still holds a few of the social media infinity stones.
So what you're really saying is: If they weren't an evil lying international warmongering conspiracy they could have won.
...and my comment on that is: Yes, I think that's right.
Dems planted a party shill harris who was super unpopular in 2020. She cares more about the party than the people. She wasn't elected. Republicans r right the only reason she was there was she's a woman and she's black.
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@n8nrgim
I think it would be a mistake to try and explain this with trivia about the candidates characters. That analysis is old, tired, and a bad predictor.
Half the people who voted for Trump think his ego is too big and its kinda creepy how he marries people, divorces them, and then they stick around. It's like an informal harem.
Kamala wasn't the most charismatic, but it's "the economy stupid".
People engage when things aren't going well and when they engage they don't focus on character they see both parties as a whole and the cultural movements they represent (which is the appropriate way to judge).
Anyone who lies are so transparent would have had a hard time not being drowned by the wave. She tried to simultaneously claim credit for the last four years of "good", say she wouldn't do anything different from Biden WHILE claiming to be an agent of change.
Only the fully zombified would have failed to see through that.
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@FLRW
No, Trump won because Republicans are stupid.
No we are just trash.
Project 2025 will destroy the USA.
2025 will never make it. When 2025 passes, I want all you brainwashed liberals to apologize for even making Project 2025 an issue.
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@FLRW
Project 2025 will destroy the USA.
Trump never even fully endorsed Project 2025. Made up just to promote Kamala, even then, some of the policies themselves are giving harsher sentences on Child S** Offenders. What's so bad about this?
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democrats lost beacuse, you cant put unnecesary stuff over other essential needs, when you cant afford housing or food, you are very much not gonna care if a guy gets his pp cut off or if you can or cant abort, look at the hierarchy of needs from maslow, is basic stuff they ignored, prioritys man.
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@befairbruh
The thing is, this time you are getting the best of human rights, and the best of economy with Kamala's plan versus Trump's "concepts of a plan." Kamala planned on tax cuts for middle and lower class, when Trump will raise their taxes. Not to mention the terrifs that will cost the average American $2,500 a year. If you look at numbers - not opinions, it becomes pretty clear which candidate will give you the ability to afford basic life needs and have basic rights. I would also argue that basic human rights fall above money, but that is a personal belief that won't apply to everyone. Most moral people would value each other's ability to live happily in society, but clearly, republicans believe whatever is told to them. I have a handy link for you to look at the charts. https://www.crfb.org/papers/fiscal-impact-harris-and-trump-campaign-plans
Trump won because he is no longer an apprentice as he was defined by Democrats.
Trump filed 7 corporate bankruptcies, a failed airline, a failed magazine, a failed scam university, three failed casinos, a failed pandemic response, the worst jobs record of any U.S. president, two impeachments, and 34 criminal convictions, Trump was fined 464 million dollars for business fraud and is in court for paying a porn star Stormy Daniels hush money. Trump's false or misleading claims total 30573 over 4 years
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@Shila
It was the best of Trump, it was the worst of Trump, a time of record economic growth and unprecedented polarization, of tax reforms and fiery rhetoric. In this tale of two MAGAs, one side celebrated a booming stock market, deregulation, and foreign policy strides like the Abraham Accords. The other side lamented deepened social divides, controversial immigration policies, and chaotic pandemic responses. For some, Trump’s "America First" doctrine revitalized industries and reshaped global alliances; for others, it stoked fear and discord. This paradoxical era was one where triumphs and turbulence danced hand in hand, leaving a nation divided yet undeniably transformed.
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@befairbruh
The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget really needs to update its estimates to keep up with the policies coming out of Trump’s new Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). With Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy promising $2 trillion in annual cuts, the fiscal landscape is changing faster than the original estimates of Kamala's promises she never delivered during her 4 years. If the CRFB sticks to outdated numbers, it’s not just misleading—it’s irrelevant. They need to factor in these proposed changes to give the public and policymakers a real sense of where things are headed. Staying current is the only way to stay credible.
The thing is, this time you are getting the best of human rights, and the best of economy with Kamala's plan versus Trump's "concepts of a plan." Kamala planned on tax cuts for middle and lower class, when Trump will raise their taxes. Not to mention the terrifs that will cost the average American $2,500 a year. If you look at numbers - not opinions, it becomes pretty clear which candidate will give you the ability to afford basic life needs and have basic rights. I would also argue that basic human rights fall above money, but that is a personal belief that won't apply to everyone. Most moral people would value each other's ability to live happily in society, but clearly, republicans believe whatever is told to them. I have a handy link for you to look at the charts
This argument leans heavily on hyperbolic campaign rhetoric, using superlatives like "best" to frame former candidate Kamala Harris’s policies as definitively superior without offering evidence or nuance. Claiming Trump’s plans are merely "concepts" dismisses the direction of his policies, reducing a complex debate into a simplistic narrative. The assertion that Harris planned tax cuts for the middle and lower classes while Trump will raise their taxes oversimplifies both platforms. Harris proposed targeted tax credits, but portraying Trump as raising taxes ignores his plans to extend the 2017 Trump tax cuts, many of which were already extended by Harris, which lowered taxes across all income groups. In reality, Kamala couldn't even balance her campaign ledger, much less handle the struggling economy the past 4 years.
The claim that tariffs will cost the average American $2,500 annually assumes consumers will absorb 100% of the costs, ignoring the likelihood that people will seek alternative global suppliers to affected goods, reducing the actual impact. Averaging costs across all households also distorts the burden, as many families don’t actually purchase tariffed goods. The statement to "look at numbers, not opinions" is undermined by the lack of cited data regarding tariffs and alternate markets and a failure to acknowledge the nuanced trade-offs of economic policies. Case in point, none of the corporate media outlets protested any of the existing tariffs Biden/Harris implemented during her administration's time in power. During the Biden-Harris administration (2021–2024), the U.S. maintained several tariffs initiated under the previous administration, particularly those targeting Chinese imports. These measures aimed to address issues like unfair trade practices and to protect domestic industries. In May 2024, President Biden directed the U.S. Trade Representative to increase tariffs on approximately $18 billion worth of Chinese imports under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974, targeting sectors such as semiconductors and critical minerals.
This argument is also heavily weighted towards a moral judgment, labeling Republicans as unquestioning followers while presenting one perspective as inherently "moral." This rhetoric alienates and censors rather than invites meaningful debate. A big reason why Harris lost resoundingly is because voters were tired of the purity tests for policy discussions. This is the typical partisan argument that relies on oversimplifications, assumptions, and emotional appeals rather than a balanced analysis of policy impacts. Next time, leave the superlatives at home. Democrats didn't lose because they were stupid, they lost because they were out of touch and pretentious.
Democrats know why they lost, its the stupid voters, they didn't insult and condescend to them enough.
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@sadolite
Democrats know why they lost, it’s the stupid voters, they didn't insult and condescend to them enough.
American voters proved once again they are not ready for a woman president much less a black woman. That should be a sign of encouragement to Black men to try again having succeeded before.
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@Shila
See, Shila gets it. Shila knows what Democrats need to do win elections. Insult and condescend the voters "American voters proved once again they are not ready for a woman president much less a black woman. " Excellent example. Democrats need to double down on examples like this.
Americans were sold on Trump after Trump promised to pardon criminals. In the American culture of crime Trump was welcome for his contribution. Trump filed 7 corporate bankruptcies, a failed airline, a failed magazine, a failed scam university, three failed casinos, a failed pandemic response, the worst jobs record of any U.S. president, two impeachments, and 34 criminal convictions, Trump was fined 464 million dollars for business fraud and is in court for paying a porn star Stormy Daniels hush money. Trump's false or misleading claims total 30573 over 4 years. He would be the first convicted felon to be elected president. The Democrats could not match his criminal record.