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The experts: Climate change is real!  Solve climate change!  We are trustworthy.  When have we been wrong before in the 21st century?

Me: Some examples.  You've said:

  1. 2nd hand smoke is worse than smoking.  Why?  To guilt trip parents into stopping smoke (for the incorrect reason that their children will be worse off from their smoking habit than they were).
  2. More lanes on roads makes highways more congested.  Why?  Because Elon Musk supports expanding road infastructure.
  3. Can’t define what a continent is by any means other than a list; says they exist anyways.
I don't trust you guys.
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Experts are generally more successful than less successful people.

And the latter is often jealous of the former.

And to think that humanity and it's lust for resources and energy does not affect Earths atmosphere, is  the same as thinking that overeating and being lazy doesn't make one fat.

It's also foolish to think that deliberately inhaling smoke and it's contaminants is still cool.

And if people weren't so lazy and were more content with being in one place, then the luxury of personal vehicles would not also be an addiction.

And a continent  is a delineated area of Planet Earth, incorporating smaller delineated areas.

And I would stick my neck out and suggest, that  a general consensus  exists in respect of  continental delineation.

Unfortunately one cannot confidently say the same about national delineation.
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The difference between an expert and a professor is that the former has a guy holding a gun behind him. Usually pointed in the direction of the latter.
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There are lot's of experts and fewer professors.

Though I agree that expert opinions are often paid for, or even coerced.
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The difference between an expert and a professor is that the former has a guy holding a gun behind him. Usually pointed in the direction of the latter.
Thats true in Putin's Russia.

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And to think that humanity and it's lust for resources and energy does not affect Earths atmosphere, is  the same as thinking that overeating and being lazy doesn't make one fat.
No it isn't. The only reason anyone could possibly think that is common sense is indoctrination.

Before this indoctrination it was (rightly) assumed by all humans that the world was far too vast to ever be changed by the actions of mortals.

The "common sense" of pre-20th century people is no more reliable than your common sense now; but logic says they were (more) right.
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We actually set off thousands of nukes in testing and it's still nowhere near the effect of a few natural volcano eruptions. The Earth is massive and we are just fleas on an elephant.

Here is a school appropriate video:

"We haven't even learned to care for each other yet, how are we going to save the planet?"


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Thats true. Scientists are liars. We should trust Trump, Greyparrot and ADOL. These are the people we can trust.
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Fauci lied.
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Greyparrot is an honest person.
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You won't get Covid if you wear a mask in your car alone and take a bunch of drugs.

Just trust me.
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We actually set off thousands of nukes in testing and it's still nowhere near the effect of a few natural volcano eruptions. The Earth is massive and we are just fleas on an elephant.
There is no substitute for scientific logic, but if (for no good reason) we could not educate our children to have a basic level of scientific literacy then at least some primary intuitions would be helpful such as:

1.) Big things are hard to change
2.) When something has been the same way for a very long time, there are forces which act to keep it that way

The temperature of this planet and every other planet is the result of a constant dynamic equilibrium of heat flow (power). Like the flow of a river it can change but if you pour a bucket of water into a river that is just a nudge to an existing dynamic equilibrium of far greater magnitude.

The "dynamic" is important here. That means to disturb the system greatly you can't accumulate small changes, you need big changes in short periods. If we had a trillion nuclear bombs we would need to set them all off at once if we wanted to see the air temperature increase measurably. If we set them off once a minute until they were all gone there would be no substantive effect (on global temperature). It would just be a minuscule additional heat to dissipate along with the vast amounts of energy which is constantly added and removed from the system.


Here is a school appropriate video:

"We haven't even learned to care for each other yet, how are we going to save the planet?"

lol "school appropriate" indeed.

"plant a tree"

It's a good thing humanity came along, before us trees could not plant themselves. The world would surely have run out of trees!

He's wrong about one thing though, humanity is something new. Intelligent engineering is something new. It cannot be assumed that because Earth has been stable for a long time it is impossible for it to change. Maybe we can't destroy the world today, but give it another thousand years.

The inverse assumption, the attitude zed gave voice to, is also wrong. Just because we are something new does not mean everything we do must change (much less harm) the world in a significant way.

As always (and I know I'm a broken record): There is no substitute for reason.

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You won't get Covid if you wear a mask in your car alone and take a bunch of drugs.

Just trust me.
Its good that we have Greyparrot to create false dichotomies which prove science wrong.

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Yes, false analogies and unobserved claims are science too.
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Carlin would have had a lot to say and admire about AI.
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You won't get Covid if you wear a mask in your car alone and take a bunch of drugs.

Just trust me.
And if you do get Covid you can just inject bleach to cure it.

Just trust Trump.
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Too busy looking for food to care.
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A lot of people make the false assumption that people who don't make climate change their number one concern (over say, food prices or tyrannical COVID measures) must be low IQ garbage people.
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Hmmmm. #6

Common sense says that your post didn't make a whole lot of sense.
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@zedvictor4
It's also foolish to think that deliberately inhaling smoke and it's contaminants is still cool.
I'm not saying 2nd hand smoke is good; I'm saying 1st hand smoking is worse (and the experts disagree).

And if people weren't so lazy and were more content with being in one place, then the luxury of personal vehicles would not also be an addiction.
You can be pro public transit whole acknowledging the obvious that more lanes -> less annoying traffic.  If you say more lanes will still have more traffic than trains, then fine; don't claim though that 3 lanes of traffic has worse traffic than 2 lanes; otherwise interstates would be one lane roads everywhere.


 And a continent  is a delineated area of Planet Earth, incorporating smaller delineated areas.
You could say that about a country.  It's not a good enough definition.

Maybe continents shouldn't exist; every landmass surrounded by water on all 4 sides is an island, even Eurasia and North and South America.
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Common sense says that your post didn't make a whole lot of sense.
Common sense can let me know when he has an argument to evaluate.
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Common sense says science deniers are not rational people.
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So are the experts right when they say 2nd hand smoke is worse than smoking?
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So are the experts right when they say 2nd hand smoke is worse than smoking?
No, imaginary experts are rarely right.
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Words are and definitions are.

We can refer to Africa as a banana if you like.


And shared smoke is smoke, though some people would prefer not to share it.


And your transport synopsis, exemplified the human dependence upon the fascination of effortlessly getting from A to B.


Super.
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Nope, it was presented in such a way as to be unclear of it's message.

Just reread it to make sure I wasn't missing something, and it  still didn't make sense.

Perhaps you compiled it in a hurry.
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And to think that humanity and it's lust for resources and energy does not affect Earths atmosphere, is  the same as thinking that overeating and being lazy doesn't make one fat.

That's oversimplifying the world government's reaction. They aren't just saying the earth climate is changing (it always does), they are saying we are destroying the planet. One is common sense, the other is pure bullshit. Life on this planet has been dealing (successfully) with climate change for a billion years, long before the first oil well was ever built.

Even if we go full retard and somehow accidentally lower CO2 to 200 ppm and kill off half of the planet's plant life trying to "save the planet"....the planet will still recover from that (our) fuckup. It did it before under worse conditions.

Carlin was right...Humans (still) have no clue how to take care of each other...what kind of fantasy is it to think we could possibly "save the planet?"
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they are saying we are destroying the planet.
Zed literally blamed 'lust' for affecting the atmosphere. That's not poetic license that's actually a subconscious belief that explains much of the irrational environmental attitudes.

Human ambition is sinful, sin must cause harm. It's a simple as that (to their subconscious).
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Human ambition is sinful, sin must cause harm. It's a simple as that (to their subconscious).
We need to pollute planet even more to prove that everything will be okay. Who cares for environment? Lets play "pull this and see what happens" with planet Earth so that we can keep making money. Its healthy to breathe in CO2 and other types of pollution.
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That would elevate climate alarmism to the status of a religion, where desiring a decent standard of living would be a sin against the planet.

Now go get naked and run off into the woods.