Classic Movies Mafia DP5

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This DP will last 72 hours and will end on Monday, Oct 28 at 2:30 PM EDT.

Deceased players:

  • Owen_T - Lynched DP2 - Baby Face - Manipulative JOAT (1x Redirector, 1x Deflector, 1x Bus Driver) 
  • ILikePie5 - Died NP1 - Seven Samurai - Strengthener 
  • Moozer325 - Lynched DP3 - It's a Wonderful Life - 2x Daytime Doctor Inventor 
  • Lunatic - Died NP2 - Rashomon - Odd-Night Neapolitan Cop
  • WyIted - Lynched DP4 - You are Rear Window! This classic Hitchcock film starring James Stewart depicts a recently disabled man who spends a lot of time moping around at home while watching his neighborhood through the rear window of his apartment, where he sees evidence that one of his neighbors has just committed a murder. You are the Watcher. Once per night, you may choose to watch any player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn who, if anyone, visited them that night. You win with the Town.
  • whiteflame - Died NP3 - You are Some Like It Hot! This classic comedy depicts two male musicians who must disguise themselves as women in order to hide themselves from the mafia after witnessing them committing a crime. Move over RuPaul, Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon are in town! Now, it is your turn to help expose the mafia. You are a Vanilla Townie. You have no special abilities, but you have your vote and your voice. Use them to help expose and defeat the Mafia. You win with the Town.
Living players:

  1. AustinL0926 
  2. Bullish
  3. Cerulean
  4. Earth
  5. iamanabanana
With five living players, it takes three votes to reach a majority. 
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The end draws near. 
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VTL Austin


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@Earth
I'm the Tracker. I tracked Moozer to no one NP1, Wylted to Luna NP2, and Cerulean to whiteflame last night.

My movie is The 39 Steps. Because the protagonist tries to escape from a shadowy organization following his every move, I am the Tracker.

That's the reason I was pushing for Wylted so hard yesterday, because I thought it was unbelievable to have a Tracker, Watcher, and Neapolitan in the same game, and I also Tracked him NP2.

This is also why I thought Moozer was more likely than not innocent, because it fit with the theory that he wasn't a scum with a night action, but rather either an innocent townie or having a day action like he claimed.

Cerulean has zero good excuse for visiting whiteflame after he claimed Gladiator, scum team probably ran out of ninja shots.

VTL Cerulean

It is incredibly reckless to vote me if you're town without asking me for my claim because scum could quickhammer, unvote me right NOW or I'm assuming you're scum with Cerulean.
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I didn't claim yesterday because I was an investigative role and didn't want to be messed with, there was zero utility, and none of my results would be useful if outed to town.
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Votes:

Austin (1/3): Earth
Cerulean (1/3): Austin 
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Unvote
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A mafia Gladiator?
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Why are all the wolves on this forum absolute rubbish at fake claims? You're really going for a 3-Investigative narrative?

VTL Austin
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Votes:

Cerulean (1/3): Austin
Austin (1/3): Cerulean
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Let's push Austin/Cerulean off to the side for a bit. From my PoE, the last mafia is Banana or Bullish. Now, is Bullish a mafia governor?
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yeah man austin scum, he had results that corroborated Wylted's action, but refused to claim. Not a town motivated action.
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I'm gonna reread
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@Bullish
yeah man austin scum, he had results that corroborated Wylted's action, but refused to claim. Not a town motivated action.
No you are right, this feels very weird to me...
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You set this up for a lot of predictable answers, but I'd like to hear in your own words why you didn't expose your results last day phase, and why you targeted cerulean last night?
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Wait, this DP/NP desync is messing me up. Lunatic died last NP. Austin tracked wylted to Lunatic, so obviously from his perspective wylted is scum
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@Cerulean
Why are all the wolves on this forum absolute rubbish at fake claims? You're really going for a 3-Investigative narrative?

VTL Austin
Tough luck buckaroo. And yes, considering that 3v8 is well-known in setup design to be scumsided and needs heavy town PRs, not to mention mafia clearly have

a. A Ninja with at least one shot
b. A redirector/deflector/busdriver (ungated, can lead to false guilties or innos with no accountability)

It'd be ludicrous for town to not have a lot of power to compensate.

Not to mention in the world where you're scum with gladiator role (I'm having WORDS with Casey about that later), it imbalances things towards scum even more, there'd practically need to be three investigatives for the setup to not be grossly scumsided.


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@Earth
Let's push Austin/Cerulean off to the side for a bit. From my PoE, the last mafia is Banana or Bullish. Now, is Bullish a mafia governor?
I honestly think it's you and Cerulean right now, but I'm willing to reconsider. Seriously, why snapvote me without asking for my claim?
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yeah man austin scum, he had results that corroborated Wylted's action, but refused to claim. Not a town motivated action.
I tracked Moozer to nowhere N1, hence why I was townreading him.
I tracked Wylted to Luna N2 (the night Luna died), hence why I was scumreading him.

Pretty simple.

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@iamanabanana
You set this up for a lot of predictable answers, but I'd like to hear in your own words why you didn't expose your results last day phase, and why you targeted cerulean last night?
As mentioned, see above, I tracked Wylted on the night that he visited Luna and Luna was killed.

I didn't expose my results last day phase because it wouldn't change anything. The lynch was fixed between Cerulean and Wylted from the beginning, so I did was push Wylted because of my results.

If Cerulean was in danger of dying, I absolutely would've outed my results last day phase.

If you can give a single good reason why I should've claimed last DP, then we can discuss more, but I'm just not seeing it.

I targeted Cerulean for pretty obvious reasons. He spent an entire day phase gladiating and then helping to vote out a town player. You mentioned it yourself, Cerulean kept pushing Wylted without considering a world where he could be town, just like in Mayday Mafia. Not to mention, Cerulean's role is also an outlier because Gladiator is actually negative utility, typically (because it artifically restricts town's options), making me think he could be scum. Now that I caught him, I can say my decision was pretty justified.

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@AustinL0926
You were always kinda on my radar. I didn't like how you were standoffish about your role.
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https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11855/posts/476610 and https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11855/posts/476632 post makes me think earth and cerulean can't be scum together. Also a bad move by earth to just blatantly call out PR.

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What are the changes austin and cerulean a scum bussing each other?
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scum austin here should push earth, cause he knows I'm ready to vote earth. He doesn't, either because he's actually town, or earth is his scum buddy
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Here's my question for you, why did scum choose to use Cerulean to do the NK?
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We know from wylted's flip scum does in fact have a ninja, which makes watcher + tracker more likely.
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https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11871/posts/476902 no point looking at this comment right?

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11871/posts/476924 this type of coaching is unlikely scum-scum


None of earth, cerulean, or austin were on the owen wagon.
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kinda crazy how moozer fake claimed 2x doc then ended up being actual 2x doc shortly after.

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11882/posts/477362 I've been in sync with austin the whole game, hesitant to just vote him

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11882/posts/477468 Can't bring myself to just believe moozer, especially after how he just tells everyone who he's targetting https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11882/posts/477496

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11882/posts/477590 Earth popping out sussy posts like bullets
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Who's the other scum?
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I scrolled through my last game here which was Indie Games Mafia. I was town with austin that game, and I played like ass and we lost.



https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11897/posts/478029 so at this point 1 of the 2 mostly confirmed town is willing to lynch cerulean, and the other is willing to lynch earth.


https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11897/posts/478181 finding myself agreeing with this reasoning in hindsight