I like migrants better than people

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People shouldnt vote for Trump because Trump wants to reduce number of migrants.

I like migrants better than people.
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I like foreign invaders too. They make me feel safe. A lot safer than being around actual people.
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I like foreign invaders too. They make me feel safe.
Safety is weakness.
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Gp is afraid of migrants because he knows that they are a lot smarter than him.
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Yeah, koreans like so much inmigrants that they barealy have inmigrants in Korea.
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He says they are taking his job, so they must be doing something better than him.

I guess he doesnt want for USA to have better and more effective workforce.
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Yeah, koreans like so much inmigrants that they barealy have inmigrants in Korea.
Even Koreans dont want to live in Korea. Hence the high suicide rate and low birth rate. Yes, I am talking about South Korea.

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Even Koreans dont want to live in Korea. Hence the high suicide rate and low birth rate. Yes, I am talking about South Korea.
Are you telling me that the Koreans are suicidal because of the lack of inmigrants? Lol.
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Are you telling me that the Koreans are suicidal because of the lack of inmigrants? Lol.
Yes, thats what I am telling you.
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South Korea is grappling with an ultralow birthrate and declining population, prompting the government to consider expanding the number of foreign nationals it allows to work in the country.
Last year the quota for E-9 visas, which cover “non-professional” workers, was 120,000, by a wide margin the most ever. This year the E-9 quota will rise to 165,000. The total stock of migrant labor increased by 9% in 2023. This is good news for South Korea.
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Well immigrants are safer than Americans.
An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes.
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Wow, it's good Trump and Gp weren't around when the Pilgrims came in.
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Well immigrants are safer than Americans
USA is technologically advanced thanks to migrants.

Migrants bring new knowledge and talents.

Obviously, we cant rely on Greyparrot for technological advancement.

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South Korea is grappling with an ultralow birthrate and declining population, prompting the government to consider expanding the number of foreign nationals it allows to work in the country.
Last year the quota for E-9 visas, which cover “non-professional” workers, was 120,000, by a wide margin the most ever. This year the E-9 quota will rise to 165,000. The total stock of migrant labor increased by 9% in 2023. This is good news for South Korea.
North Koreans have been migrating to Russia lately.
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Do you prefer poor migrants coming into the country with no valuable skills over skilled migrants?
Do you prefer illegal migrants over legal migrants?

Should we have so much immigration that it overwhelms the lower class by lowering wages and increasing the cost of housing and living? the cost living also impacts the middle class by way?

If your a young person and not born into a rich family, do want unskilled immigrant labor competing against your labor so fiercely that it reduces your social mobility and increases your country's income/wealth inequality?

If your family's rich, then who cares your going to college and you never needed to work a minimum wage job in your life. Nice to be an elite. Also, those unskilled immigrants help reduce the poor and lower middle class's social mobility which reduces competition for your elitist job.

Also nice to be a corporation that gets cheap labor, but that's a different point. 











































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Do you prefer poor migrants coming into the country with no valuable skills over skilled migrants?
Do you prefer illegal migrants over legal migrants?
Both benefit a country.

Should we have so much immigration that it overwhelms the lower class by lowering wages and increasing the cost of housing and living?
Yes.

If your a young person and not born into a rich family, do want unskilled immigrant labor competing against your labor so fiercely that it reduces your social mobility and increases your country's income/wealth inequality?
Yes.

If your family's rich, then who cares your going to college and you never needed to work a minimum wage job in your life. Nice to be an elite. Also, those unskilled immigrants help reduce the poor and lower middle class's social mobility which reduces competition for your elitist job.
Thats great, it improves workforce.

Also nice to be a corporation that gets cheap labor, but that's a different point. 
Yes, cheaper labor means cheaper goods and services.
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Do you prefer poor migrants coming into the country with no valuable skills over skilled migrants?
Do you prefer illegal migrants over legal migrants?
Both benefit a country.

Skilled migrants are better than unskilled migrants. They have higher productivity in monetary terms. 

Legals are better than illegals because we can limit the number and exclude the criminals.

An excessive amount of unskilled migrant labor with the US's isn't benefeitificual. It's only benefeitificual to small group of people. The rich. The economy grows but the rich absorb the gains because the poor's wages can be kept down from continuous migration.

Also nice to be a corporation that gets cheap labor, but that's a different point. 
Yes, cheaper labor means cheaper goods and services.
Not as simple as you think. Capital per person drops making your citizens less productive, therefore poorer. Corporations benefit from cheap labor not the common man.
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An excessive amount of unskilled migrant labor with the US's isn't benefeitificual
Yes, it is beneficial for both those migrants and for economy having more workforce, thus more productivity, so government can increase its income.



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Capital per person drops making your citizens less productive
Total GDP is more important than GDP per capita.

Citizens as a whole become more productive when there is more of them.

I understand that you dont know what per capita means, because its complicated.
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Total GDP is more important than GDP per capita.
GDP is important from a government's perpective. GDP per capita is more important to a person.

Increases in GDP per capita coincide with higher standards of living. Decreases coincide with a lower standard of living.

GDP can rise and GDP per capita can fall.

For instance,

Extreme increases of people do not add to the productivity of capital. Fewer machines and resources per person. 

Simple baby terms, if you double the number of people at your work you don't double the output. You need more equipment and machines. You get a fractional increase in production by adding more people.

If this is an economy, then your workforce must earn less because it's producing less per person.
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GDP is important from a government's perspective. GDP per capita is more important to a person.

He got you good there.
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Citizens as a whole become more productive when there is more of them.
Units of scale are taken advantage of by large populations anyway.

Increases in units of scale require reinvestment and time and its probably not as big as a boost to GDP as you think it is because we already take advantage of it in most industries when we can.
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GDP is important from a government's perpective. GDP per capita is more important to a person.
Thats true. Its better if 1 person enjoys than if millions of people enjoy as long as GDP per person is higher. This makes sense.

Also, much bigger military possible with smaller total GDP. Thats why Luxembourg has largest military in the world, contributing to safety.
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You get a fractional increase in production by adding more people
Thats why USA doesnt have highest total GDP in the world or strongest military in the world.
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Increases in units of scale require reinvestment and time and its probably not as big as a boost to GDP as you think it is
Yeah, thats why countries like Luxembourg have highest total GDP.

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He got you good there
Yes, he totally refuted the fact that reducing population reduces the number of people who enjoy said GDP per person.

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China is the world's most prosperous country. It just surpassed the United States as the world's most prosperous country.  China, the United States, Germany, France, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Japan, Mexico, and Sweden are the world's wealthiest countries, according to McKinsey & Co.
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That's because China has not perfected Democracy yet.
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Thats true. Its better if 1 person enjoys than if millions of people enjoy as long as GDP per person is higher. This makes sense.
Yes better to impoverish Americans than have a reasonable amount of immigration that doesn't harm anyone. The last 4 years have been great for American finances and the economy. Best time to have more immigration. 

People vote in their best interests. It's not the US's job to take care of the whole world's population. 

Reasonable immigration in good economic times is great for some of reasons you mentioned above, but it has a compounding bad effect with stagflation and low economic growth. 

However, you won't listen to any of that because it's better that everyone in world be poor than for the current US population to be better off because of responsible social/economical policies. Envious much?

Let the rest of world lift itself out of poverty. The US will accept a limited number of immigrants because it benefits our country, but we shouldn't be a free handout to the rest of the world .
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I guess we should just let migrants suffer and deny them of better life in USA.

I know you think migrants arent people, and that only non-migrants deserve a better life.

USA has the most migrants, yet USA has the weakest military in the world.

I guess we can see how powerful a country is with most migrants.

Maybe we should let our workforce shrink due to low birth rates and let migrants suffer in poverty by denying them of life in USA.

We should make it so that our economy shrinks. We were number 1 in GDP too long thanks to migrants. Time for someone else to be number 1.

Lets hope that local American population can actually be as successful as migrants are. It sure can! Its not like migrants bring in knowledge, money, crime reduction and labor with them. Nuh uh!