Trump's position on abortion makes no sense

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Trump said he wants abortion up to the states.

The only reason a state would want to ban abortion is if they see it as murder.

But if you think abortion is murder, then you'd want it banned everywhere.

His argument is different entities have their own views on abortion so local entities should make the call.  However, the most local government out there is the individual person, so from that perspective, if you're being consistent, then individuals would get to decide if abortion is legal for their own bodies (until the moment of birth, if we're really going to let local entities decide their own policies just like the policy in Alaska). Jennifer might be willing to abort at 29 weeks; Sabrina might be willing to abort until 20 weeks; Emily and Fiona might be a bit more conservative since they go to church; they might ban themselves from allowing abortion to be done to their territory.

The most logical interpretation of Trump's, "leave it up to the states because it's more decentralized" is to decentralize it up to each individual person (and if this means some people will abort late term for whatever reason they want, then so be it).
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This is much simpler than that. Trump is pro choice, but he was elected by conservative Christians and wanted to give them a win so he elected judges who would overturn Roe vs Wade. 

They got their win but he personally minimized the damage of that win by making sure it stays at state level. I would say the damage is even lower than you think since every state has exceptions for health of the mother. 
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Trump is pro choice, but he was elected by conservative Christians and wanted to give them a win so he elected judges who would overturn Roe vs Wade. 
So he did what he did for votes and not based on what he believes?

I would say the damage is even lower than you think since every state has exceptions for health of the mother. 
I'm only fine with a state banning abortion (violating bodily autonomy to prevent zygote homicide) if they also ban IVF and premarital vaginal sex for unvasectomized men because of the pregnency that can be produced as a result (birth control pills aren't effective enough when used in practice) to prevent zygote homicide.

If the standard is consistent for both genders, then fine.  But don't give men bodily autonomy and also not give it to women.  Treat them the same.
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So he did what he did for votes and not based on what he believes?
The important part is he did what his voters wanted. His personal opinions don't matter.  His policies do midwit
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 The important part is he did what his voters wanted.
And his voters are wrong on the issue of valuing male bodily autonomy more than women's in any state.
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And his voters are wrong on the issue of valuing male bodily autonomy more than women's in any state.
It's a matter of condoning literal murder or not,  not one of bodily autonomy and the left actually admitted bodily atlutonomy was not their concern when it came to vaccine mandates. 

As far as male bodily autonomy is concerned. What is the selective service?
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It's a matter of condoning literal murder or not,  not one of bodily autonomy and the left actually admitted bodily atlutonomy was not their concern when it came to vaccine mandates. 
I was libertarian on the vax mandates at the height of the COVID pandemic.  Although, getting a shot is much less of a violation of bodily autonomy than 9 months of pregnancy.  I'm one of the few people that prefers Harris to Trump that also prefers RFK to Harris.

As far as male bodily autonomy is concerned. What is the selective service?
A draft that should end.  End the wars!  Conscription is slavery (and Harris just like Trump should get called out for not ending the draft).
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It's a sharp way to not lose pro choice voters. It's about the votes. He's thinking as a politician.
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People who vote pro choice don't vote for Trump even with a states rights concession.
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Of course not, they're liberal.
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@Mall
It's stupid to try and appeal to voters you know you won't get because it pisses off your own base.
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@RemyBrown
I believe you never know. Many politicians don't know and will try the possibility of liberal or democratic votes anyhow in a campaign.