Utility is a genuine need that stands on equal footing with ethics. Both guide society, but utility emphasizes practical benefits, ensuring that solutions address tangible needs. Ethics, while crucial, can sometimes be co-opted to serve ideological agendas, fostering inequality or corruption under the guise of moral superiority. This can limit innovation and favor those in power. Utility-driven approaches, by focusing on outcomes and practical benefits, can help create a more equitable and efficient society, ensuring that resources are directed toward solving real-world problems rather than maintaining appearances to serve the powerful elite class.
AI's thoughts on "ethics"
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This world is both good and evil.
The God who created this world is both good and evil.
Thus, the only way to prosper is to be both good and evil.
Those who are just good wont prosper. Those who are just evil wont prosper.
But be both good and evil, and you will be like a God.
Look at me, sharing ancient wisdom with muggles.
Heh
AI is looking at ethics like a tool to harm the elite. Typical Marxist thinking.
Utilitarianism is wrong because it is cowardly. It asks what actions best serve it instead of considering the most geroic options.
Utilitarianism also has the flaw that it leads to "pascal's mugging"
If you can look at some far off object and see that killing a million people will work to save a billion yet to be existent people in the future than Utilitarianism would allow it.
The Utilitarianism which was programmed into it is harmful not just because of all of the atrocities in the name of some yet to be seen paradise but the Utilitarianism advocated by the machine presupposes some form of equality. It would have all of us equally miserable as opposed to unequally happy.
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@WyIted
I had a dream about why utilitarianism is bad.
It suffers from infinite torture paradox.
For example,
lets say that there is a vaccine which if you take it, will cause you horrible pain for 10 seconds, and then add 10 years of extra life of happiness to your lifespan.
If we look at utilitarian logic, one should agree to take such vaccine. It both extends life and increases happiness.
However, same principle applies with vaccine that causes you 100 seconds of pain and adds 100 years to your life.
Same principle applies with vaccine that causes you 1000000000000000000 seconds of pain and adds 1000000000000000000 years to your life.
Basically, if you follow utilitarian logic, in the end you would logically have to agree to be tortured for almost infinity just to increase your lifespan by more time than the time you were tortured. An absurd situation.
Also, utilitarianism suffers from an increase in evil.
If person only does good, person will always increase good while not adding evil. However, if person does more good than evil, person will also add evil to the world. This really falls apart when applied to society, because overwhelming majority cant even know if their action does more good than evil.
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@WyIted
What's the utility of dick-chopping compared to the support through ethics?
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@Greyparrot
AI lacks compassion and we know that humans --if not also other animals--- have place in brain that can turn on or off empathy.
This first discovered this part of the aafter the 90's Bosian war.
..." On April 5, 1992, the government of Bosnia declared its independence from Yugoslavia. The creation of an independent Bosnian nation that would have a Bosniak majority was opposed by Bosnian Serbs, who launched a military campaign to secure coveted territory and “cleanse” Bosnia of its Muslim civilian population. The Serbs targeted Bosniak and Croatian civilians in areas under their control, in what has become known as “ethnic cleansing.”...
I have mentioned many times how yawning or a babys face making others smile is simple forms of empathy.
.."New York, NY (September 01, 2012)...An international team led by researchers at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York has for the first time shown that one area of the brain, called the anterior insular cortex, is the activity center of human empathy, whereas other areas of the brain are not. The study is published in the September 2012 issue of the journal Brain. Empathy, the ability to perceive and share another person's emotional state, has been described by philosophers and psychologists for centuries. "...
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@ebuc
I have mentioned many times how yawning or a babys face making others smile is simple forms of empathy.
This is an evolved survival trait for babies. In the future, people will stop smiling at babies as the AI will take care of the babies. Much like people now stop smiling at each other when using social media.
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@WyIted
Do you deny the powerful elites fake empathy and ethics to gain power?
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@ebuc
I have mentioned many times how yawning or a babys face making others smile is simple forms of empathy.
When I see Trump's face I get nauseated.
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@FLRW
When I see Trump's face I get nauseated.
Ha, thats interesting. FL, perhaps his internals are in some constant state of nauseam all the time, and your empathizing with his internal nauseam.
Remember how in his debate with Harris, he never --if even rarely-- looked at her, near as much as she looked over at him.
Why would he not look at her, and especially so, if he new that his face and body language might put her in a state of nauseam?
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@Greyparrot
This is an evolved survival trait for babies. In the future, people will stop smiling at babies as the AI will take care of the babies. Much like people now stop smiling at each other when using social media.
Consider also, that when photography first came onto the scene, people in portraits never smiled.
Then somewhere the 20th century, people began to smile when getting their portrait pictures of any kind.
Then somewhere the 20th century, people began to smile when getting their portrait pictures of any kind.
One possibility is that the environmental conditions of many peoples in those early days was a much tougher life then found as we get more and more into the 20th century.
..."A baby’s first smile is one of many exciting milestones they experience. In addition to smiling while awake, many parents and caregivers notice their baby smiling while asleep and wonder what the smile could mean.
.....It is normal for babies to smile during sleep. As a baby grows, they may show a more genuine smile when dreaming. We delve into when babies learn to smile and why babies smile in their sleep."...
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@ebuc
People in the 1800s often didn't smile in photographs for several reasons:
- Long Exposure Times: Early cameras required subjects to stay still for several minutes due to long exposure times. Holding a smile for that long was uncomfortable, so people often chose a neutral expression to avoid a blurred image.
- Cultural Norms: Smiling in formal portraits was not a common practice. In that era, photographs were often seen as serious, formal events. People wanted to appear dignified, as smiling in public or in serious settings was less socially acceptable.
- Dental Health: Dental care was not as advanced in the 1800s, and many people had poor teeth, so they avoided smiling to hide their dental issues.
- Portrait Tradition: Photographs were often modeled after painted portraits, where subjects also maintained serious expressions to convey importance or social status.
These factors combined to create the unsmiling, serious expressions that are typical in 19th-century photographs.
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@Greyparrot
..." Until more research is done, it is difficult to say for sure why infants smile during sleep. So far, evidence is conflicting, and the reasons for smiling during sleep may change depending on the baby’s age and what stage of sleep Trusted SourceNational Library of Medicine, Biotech Information The National Center for Biotechnology Information advances science and health by providing access to biomedical and genomic information. View Source they are in.
... One major difference between active sleep and adult REM sleep is that infants are not paralyzed during active sleep. While in active sleep, an infant may twitch, make sucking motions, move their limbs, smile, or frown.
......Researchers have observed that newborns sometimes make faces with complex expressions View Source during REM sleep, even before showing these same expressions while awake. As a result, a baby’s first smile may occur during sleep.
..Older research has described infant smiles during sleep as reflex-like. Studies suggest that smiles during active sleep are generated in the cerebral cortex, the outer part of the brain. Researchers believe spontaneous smiles that occur during sleep may help develop the muscles used to smileView Source and lay the groundwork for smiling and laughter as the child grows. "..."..
When do babies begin to laugh? Before or after the express crying?
..." Your baby will go through several language milestones in their first 12 months of life. This can include cooing, laughing, babbling, and their first word"...