Q: Literally any question regarding government policy.
A: "I come from a middle class family"
It's the standard bowl to create the word salad.
Kamala's weird word salads have a pattern.
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Middle class in the 60s...professors made 10k a year, the rest of us made maybe 5k a year. She grew up an upper class kid.
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@Greyparrot
If they were clever and the rest were thickos, then that was how the reward system worked/works.
To be a good politician "word salad" is an essential strategy.
And if Kamala employs word salad, then WTF does Donald use?
The dual ejections resulting from a bad stomach perhaps.
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@zedvictor4
To be a good politician "word salad" is an essential strategy.
It's actually a new thing in American politics. It's like talking points but without the points.
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@Greyparrot
She’s a politician, you can’t blame her for playing politics. Being from the middle class wins votes, so she plays into it.
It’s better to judge based on policy, not how she wins over dumb voters.
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@Moozer325
That's her weakness. When her allies ask her to define her policies so people can vote FOR her...she word salads instead. And I think it's habitual for her since she has never had to fight to win any election before now. When near every answer is a word salad about the middle class and silly anecdotes, there's no room to explain the serious policies.
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@Greyparrot
Name any American politician and I can guarantee that they do this too. During the debate, I don't think there was a single question that Trump didn't somehow find a way to turn into immigration, even if that's not what it was about.
If politicians want to win office, they have to appeal to dumb voters. Everyone does it on both sides. You have to pay attention to how they interact with smart voters, that's what you should base opinions on.
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@Moozer325
You have to pay attention to how they interact with smart voters, that's what you should base opinions on.
Can you make a list of 10 Trump policies and 10 Kamala policies using ONLY the debate? I will try as well.
If politicians want to win office, they have to appeal to dumb voters
The problem is that undecided voters are not the dumb voters. They actually want to hear policies.
I don't think there was a single question that Trump didn't somehow find a way to turn into immigration
Right, Trump was debating the moderators who would never ask for Trump's policies, they would only ask him silly questions about feelings and vibes. That's why Trump answered everything with a policy because he knew they would never bring it up.
Can you make a list of 10 Trump policies and 10 Kamala policies using ONLY the debate? I will try as well.
Yeah, give me a sec
Right, Trump was debating the moderators who would never ask for Trump's policies, they would only ask him silly questions about feelings and vibes. That's why Trump answered everything with a policy because he knew they would never bring it up.
My point was that he dodged the policies he’s losing in, and he turned them all into immigration which is his strong point. He dodged questions about his other policies by scapegoating immigrants.
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@Moozer325
My point was that he dodged the policies he’s losing in, and he turned them all into immigration which is his strong point. He dodged questions about his other policies by scapegoating immigrants.
And my point is that before we had biased media, it was common practice to only ask questions like "how would you solve "X" problem"
Here's the list of questions:
Economy and cost of living: Are Americans better off than they were four years ago?
Not a question about solving a problem. Feelings and vibes.
Not a question about solving a problem. Feelings and vibes.
Should be: what would you do to improve the economy?
Tariffs: Do you believe Americans can afford higher prices because of tariffs?
Not a question about solving a problem. Feelings and vibes.
Should be: Would you impose tariffs to improve the economy?
Abortion: Why should women trust you on the issue of abortion given your changing positions?
Not a question about solving a problem. Feelings and vibes.
Should be: Do you have a policy you want the Congress to enact regarding Abortion?
Immigration: Why did the administration wait to act on border security?
Not a question about solving a problem. Feelings and vibes.
Should be: How will you fix the border?
January 6th: Is there anything you regret about your actions on January 6th?
Not a question about solving a problem. Feelings and vibes.
Should be: What policies will you pursue to address political violence in America?
Election claims: Are you now acknowledging that you lost the 2020 election?
Not a question about solving a problem. Feelings and vibes.
Should be: How will you restore confidence and election integrity? What policies?
Ukraine: Do you want Ukraine to win this war?
Not a question about solving a problem. Feelings and vibes.
Should be: What policies will you pursue to make sure we can help end the war on favorable terms for America?
Climate change: What would you do to fight climate change?
1st actual question about solving "x"
Affordable Care Act: Do you have a plan to replace or improve Obamacare?
2nd actual question about solving "x"
Race and politics: Why do you believe it is appropriate to comment on the racial identity of your opponent?
Not a question about solving a problem. Feelings and vibes.
Should be: What policies will you implement to discourage race baiting in political discourse?
Foreign policy: How would you negotiate with Netanyahu and Hamas regarding the Israel-Hamas war?
3rd actual question about solving "x"
Afghanistan withdrawal: Do you bear any responsibility for how the withdrawal from Afghanistan played out?
Not a question about solving a problem. Feelings and vibes.
Should be: What is your plan to make sure we do not repeat the mistakes of Afghanistan?
Most of these questions were garbage regarding defining actual policy, so it's no wonder most people came away not know what the hell Kamala stood for.
Debates used to be WAY more informative in defining the direction of a leader. For example, we knew EXACTLY what we were getting with Obama and Bush. Since 2016, we really don't have a clue because real questions are rarely ever asked about policy.
Kamala's team knows she won the debate but it didn't matter because people still didn't know what her policies were.
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@Greyparrot
Just an FYI, I’m posting this before reading your post, I’ll get to what you said in a minute.
These are all the policy positions I caught. Obviously my bias gets in the way, so that could explain why I found more for Harris. It’s also important to note that this doesn’t reflect how many policy positions the candidates actually have, it’s just what they explicitly mentioned. Some of these are shared between the the two, but only one of them brought it up in the debate, so I only counted it for one of them.
Harris
1. Supports an sxpanded child tax credit (3:42)(1:25:29)
2. $50,000 tax deduction to Start up small business (4:13) (1:25:23)
3. Opportunity Economy plan - she didn’t go into specifics, but she did outline the basics of her economic plan (10:11) (1:25:04)
4. Supports greater communication and friendship with our Allies(13:40)
5. Pledged to sign a bill restoring Roe v Wade (20:21)
6. Supports IVF (23:57)
7. Supported the Bi-partisan border bill and further border action in the future (26:47)
8. Does not support a ban on fracking (39:37)
9. Supports investing in green energy (39:59)
10. Supports the protection of social security, Medicare, and supports strengthening the ACA (1:31:35)
11. Advocates for Israel’s right to defend itself, and for a ceasefire deal including the release of the hostages (57:25)
12. Supports continued aid for Ukraine (1:12:41)
13. Supported the Withdrawal from Afghanistan (1:17:48)
14. Down payment assistance for first time homebuyers (1:26:16)
15. Does not support mandatory gun buybacks (1:29:50)
Trump
1. Continued Substantial Tariffs on other countries, specifically China (5:20)
2. Mass deportations of immigrants (6:52)
3. Tax cuts - he didn’t elaborate, but I’ll count it (8:39)
4. Abortion should be protected during the exceptions for rape and incest (17:35)
5. Supports Abortion being brought back to the states, and does not support a nationwide ban (21:10)
6. Supports IVF (25:09)
7. Advocates for an end to the Israel and Hamas war (1:00:39)
8. Does not support the Nordstream pipeline (1:02:58)
9. Advocates for less spending into NATO and the war in Ukraine, and for an end to the war (1:09:36)
10. Supported a slower withdrawal from Afghanistan (1:20:24)
11. Supports the removal of Obamacare, (does not have a replacement however) (1:27:35)
12.
Also, I watched the whole thing in 2x speed, so I definitely missed some things. The point is, this isn’t really good evidence, but it does show that Harris at least didn’t dodge questions nearly as much as you suggested.
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@Moozer325
It’s better to judge based on policy, not how she wins over dumb voters.
She literally ducks policy questions though. I understand she is trying to move to the middle, she almost sounds like a republican when it comes to border control.
However she does hint at price controls which is a scary thought. Honestly it is hard to figure out what her policies would be and the ones she comes up with seems like they are only meant to pull steam from Trump. Trump says no taxes on tips, she says it etc.
I couldn't tell you her policies at all. You are right that it shouldn't be about personalities though. Agree with you 100% there.
Even when it comes to the stuff going on in the middle east, debatable the only thing that matters for the president foreign policy she is so busy simultaneously not trying to piss off her Jewish donors while also not pissing off the pro Palestine left that she hasn't given any clear cut views on foreign policy for the most part.
I struggle to know what she is about and I follow politics more closely than the average American. She has a messaging issue.
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@Moozer325
3. Opportunity Economy plan - she didn’t go into specifics, but she did outline the basics of her economic plan
This is the part that REALLY hurt her though. People walked away not knowing what she was going to do.
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@Moozer325
Still going through your list and saw the following
2. $50,000 tax deduction to Start up small business (4:13) (1:25:23)
She described this almost like a loan, so it doesn't appear she knows what the fuck she is talking about here
11. Supports the removal of Obamacare, (does not have a replacement however) (1:27:35)
Actually the plan that was shot down in 2016 was intended to be obamacare but simply with the most hated parts removed. It's literally the same plan and Democrats were freaking out about it
Supported the Bi-partisan border bill and further border action in the future (26:47)
Literally tried to imprison governors for securing their borders
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@Greyparrot
This is the part that REALLY hurt her though. People walked away not knowing what she was going to do.
Well she did go into detail about the child tax credit and the small business tax cut. She also has the whole thing posted online here. It’s not like she’s going to recite the whole thing during the debate, but she gave some of the highlights, and she cited experts that said her plan was good. Trump on the other hand has “concepts of a plan”.
She described this almost like a loan, so it doesn't appear she knows what the fuck she is talking about here
Her words were “a tax deduction”. I think that’s pretty straightforward, but whatever.
Literally tried to imprison governors for securing their borders
When was that? I’m genuinely asking btw.
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@WyIted
The 50,000 tax deduction was clearly designed by a political hack that never actually started a small business.
The number one concern of startup businesses is CASH FLOW and capital, NOT tax expenditures. The only time tax expenditures become a concern is when there are very strong profits for the small business, and by that time, the government assistance isn't really needed to keep the business going.
Most startup businesses run deficits for the first 5 years as they build the investment. If the $50,000 was an actual loan instead of a tax-deduction, it would provide actual assistance to startups during the first 5 years when they really need it, not years later when they are already profitable. Regardless, it's not anything that would pass from either party in Congress. Neither would the 6k child tax credit. It would have been done in 2020 already when they clearly were against the ropes with inflation and Kamala had the tie breaking vote on everything.
The claim that "experts" approved this plan just shows Kamala's "experts" have zero clue about managing small businesses. Kamala's stories about "living with a business owner" clearly shows why she approved the plan.
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@WyIted
Literally tried to imprison governors for securing their borders
Also, Texas AG had to sue Biden to get him to enforce existing laws:
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@Greyparrot
Who cares if she says, "I come from a middle class family". I prefer it to, "grab women by the pussy".
Imagine if Trump said he wants to grab your daughter's pussy. He said, "grab women by the pussy"; your daughter is no exception (even if she's underage). Trump happily affiliated with Epstein.
This won't change your mind though because you will back Trump even if he is in a KKK uniform.
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@RemyBrown
This won't change your mind though because you will back Trump even if he is in a KKK uniform.
You meant to say "because"
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@Greyparrot
I said that and if there is a typo, then we're splitting hairs.
Do you or do you not deny the statement I made? If you don't answer, then it's assumed to be that you don't deny the statement and would in fact become pro KKK if Trump wore a Klan uniform.
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@RemyBrown
What do you mean "if"
Why would you assume the best out of Trump?
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@Greyparrot
Stop dodging, and answer my question instead of dodging like a career politician! Don't play stupid; you know what I'm trying to ask.
You meant to say "because"
CTRL+F, "because". No typo was produced here.
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@RemyBrown
Most people know Trump is KKK. Why are you pretending otherwise?
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@Greyparrot
So are you willing to vote for a klansmen? If so, then to me, you're just a racist; like there's no other way to describe it.
I don't believe any of the following things are racist:
- A white person saying the N word
- Being anti (reparations, Affirmative Action), or being pro Qualified immunity
- Not believing in white privilege
- A white person wearing dreadlocks or any black hairstyle.
Nothing in that list is racist to me.
But being pro KKK definitely is racist. Thinking the majority of Haitians eat pets is racist.
You sir are a racist (by my very strict standard).
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@RemyBrown
Welcome to the site! Always good to have one other non-ultra conservative person around to balance things out a bit.
I’ll help you out a bit, don’t waste too much of your time with Greyparrot. There are worse people to get involved with here, but there are also smart people. WyIted is smart though, you might have fun debating him.
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@Moozer325
Always good to have one other non-ultra conservative person around to balance things out a bit.
I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't identify as conservative; I identify as independent, although speaking republican is my first language, making it easier to communicate with conservatives than liberals.
If you can add any other terms, then your supplementation would be beneficial.
I’ll help you out a bit, don’t waste too much of your time with Greyparrot.
Thanks for the help; you are a nice person.
I like testing people out to see how their character unfolds. Worse case scenario, I can always play the, "you won't change your mind because Trump could do a rally in a KKK uniform and you would still vote for him" card and they can't deny it. I'm going to have to play that card a lot.