J D Vance’s childhood was pretty bad.

Author: IwantRooseveltagain

Posts

Total: 13
IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
“Vance’s experience with a dysfunctional extended Appalachian family in Kentucky and in Ohio formed the backbone of his book, as he recounted how generations of abuse and violence had shaped him and his relatives. It includes tales of his uncle nearly killing a man by slicing him with an electric saw and his grandmother soaking his grandfather with gasoline and lighting him on fire.

IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
“Vance’s mother, Beverly, was raised in Middletown and gave birth to Vance in 1984. Vance writes bitingly about his mother’s failings, particularly her heroin use, and she married five men who often were absent in his life. (His mother has been sober for a decade, and appeared with Vance at the Republican National Convention last week”

So she is like Hunter Biden
Sidewalker
Sidewalker's avatar
Debates: 8
Posts: 2,669
3
2
5
Sidewalker's avatar
Sidewalker
3
2
5
JD Vance thinks women should stay in abusive marriages.

Women shouldn't have the right to control their own bodies, and men should have the right to beat them.

This is the GOP going after the woman vote LOL.
TheUnderdog
TheUnderdog's avatar
Debates: 5
Posts: 4,340
3
5
10
TheUnderdog's avatar
TheUnderdog
3
5
10
-->
@IwantRooseveltagain
If this was the case for Kamala Harris, then would it be enough for you to vote against her?  If not, then don't act like this is a genuine reason for people that like Trump to all of a sudden change their vote.
TheUnderdog
TheUnderdog's avatar
Debates: 5
Posts: 4,340
3
5
10
TheUnderdog's avatar
TheUnderdog
3
5
10
-->
@Sidewalker
JD Vance thinks women should stay in abusive marriages.
His main argument for wanting to make it harder to divorce is the woman taking half of the man's money if they divorce (which prenups don't always protect against).  I wouldn't want to lose half of my assets in a divorce.  All it takes is for the woman to cheat on you and then you either have to deal with a cheating wife or you divorce her and she takes half of your money.  Although if the relationship is abusive, then there probably should be a divorce (but don't socialize funds).  When you are a capitalist, your money matters more to you than your wife's pain.  Don't like that?  Then become socialist; like what do you want me to tell you?

Women shouldn't have the right to control their own bodies
Well when you are republican, a zygote's life (70-90 years) matters more to you than a woman's pain (9 months).

and men should have the right to beat them.
I don't think he said this, but I might be wrong.

This is the GOP going after the woman vote LOL.
Most women that vote GOP are still going to vote GOP (and the gender gap between voting patterns is only like 6%).  A republican has a higher chance of being a woman than a libertarian does of being a woman (and libertarians are pro choice).  Not all women care that much about abortion.
IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
-->
@TheUnderdog
If this was the case for Kamala Harris, then would it be enough for you to vote against her?  If not, then don't act like this is a genuine reason for people that like Trump to all of a sudden change their vote.
Um, where did I say that? Jumping to conclusions is the only exercise you get.

I’m simply trying to educate the people on this site, particularly the MAGA MORONS, because I know they won’t read his book and they are not using media sources that will give them a complete and accurate picture of his background.

JD Vance is a smart guy who knows better than to be a MAGA MORON. He initially rejected Trump but he is so ambitious and hungry for power he is willing to sacrifice his values and integrity.
TheUnderdog
TheUnderdog's avatar
Debates: 5
Posts: 4,340
3
5
10
TheUnderdog's avatar
TheUnderdog
3
5
10
-->
@IwantRooseveltagain
I’m simply trying to educate the people on this site, particularly the MAGA MORONS, because I know they won’t read his book and they are not using media sources that will give them a complete and accurate picture of his background.
MAGA world doesn't care about Vance's childhood and even I (who hate Trump) don't care what JD Vance went through as a child.  You could be r@ped as a child hundreds of times; I'm not going to judge the child for that.  I would judge the abuser.
IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
-->
@TheUnderdog
Do you know about ACE scores in childhood?

Adverse Childhood Experiences 

They affect a person’s mental and physical health and do permanent damage. J D Vance no doubt has a very high ACE score.

The higher your ACE score, the higher your chance of suffering from psychological and medical problems like chronic depression, cancer, or coronary heart disease.
TheUnderdog
TheUnderdog's avatar
Debates: 5
Posts: 4,340
3
5
10
TheUnderdog's avatar
TheUnderdog
3
5
10
-->
@IwantRooseveltagain
They affect a person’s mental and physical health and do permanent damage. J D Vance no doubt has a very high ACE score.
Plausibly, but also Cori Bush was r@ped, so she probably has similar stuff (like PTSD).  I don't want to set the precedent of banning r@pe victims or really any trauma victims from POTUS or VP.  It's victim shaming; basically.  I'm sure JD Vance went to therapy over it (as did Cori Bush) and they manage it.
IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
-->
@TheUnderdog
No, not really the same. She was 17.

ACE is about events from infancy to early teens while the young body is being developed.

It seems many female politicians have been victims of rape. McSally, Ernst, and Mace for example.
TheUnderdog
TheUnderdog's avatar
Debates: 5
Posts: 4,340
3
5
10
TheUnderdog's avatar
TheUnderdog
3
5
10
-->
@IwantRooseveltagain
A woman argues that being r@ped at any age is worse for her than murder.  I don't believe what JD Vance has endured is as bad as him getting murdered.

And it was long enough ago to where he almost certainly has gotten adequate therapy on it and he's mostly healed.  People can largely heal; he wouldn't run for VP if his childhood was harming him.

Cori Bush was still a minor when she got r@ped.
IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
-->
@TheUnderdog
A woman argues that being r@ped at any age is worse for her than murder.  I don't believe what JD Vance has endured is as bad as him getting murdered.
You are not getting it. Adverse Childhood Experiences lead to a very specific kind of trauma. The physical and mental damage is significant and can be irreversible.
This is why foster children are such difficult cases to place in new homes and treat with therapy. The number of people in prison who had spent time in the foster care system is alarming. Nationally, 80% of the people in prison spent time in the foster care system.

TheUnderdog
TheUnderdog's avatar
Debates: 5
Posts: 4,340
3
5
10
TheUnderdog's avatar
TheUnderdog
3
5
10
-->
@IwantRooseveltagain
Adverse Childhood Experiences lead to a very specific kind of trauma.
I hear that, but JD Vance believes that he can both live with his trauma and be a VP.  If lets say Trump wins and JD Vance decides he can no longer take it; he can step down anytime he wants too.

Who would you want Trump to pick as his VP?  Because would you rather have it be JD Vance or Ron DeSantis?  You hate both options; and you would hate any realistic VP pick Trump makes and you would have some alternative reason that has the illusion of objectivity as to why they would be poorly fit to be his VP.  Maybe with DeSantis, a woman accuses him of r@pe.  Maybe with Vivek, it turns out he is a deadbeat dad.  Maybe with Kid Rock, it's that Kid Rock is the parent of an aborted baby.  Maybe with Tucker Carlson, it's a DUI that he would have done.  You will always find some dirt on the people you would dislike even if you could find no dirt on them.