My ideal healthcare plan

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I support Patriot care!  It's about punishing the bureaucratic government for getting involved and controlling our lives by forcing them to pay for the healthcare of American Patriots (paid for by raising taxes on the globalist elites)!

Think this is a good idea?  I really don't like the government and I want to punish them somehow in a way that would improve our life; forcing them to pay for my healthcare as an American Patriot and forcing them to pay for the healthcare of other American Patriots.

Tax the globalists!!!
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Giving the government and the people who have purchased government more power over out health than they already have, punishes them how?
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@wylted

Giving the government and the people who have purchased government more power over out health than they already have, punishes them how?
It increases their tax bill, which means the government is going to have to spend more.  It's punishing the government because they are going to have to spend more, and it punishes the globalists because the government will end up having to tax them more to pay for the health costs of blue collar American Patriots!

I think western civilization is the best civilization out there, and the most western place in the world (Europe) has UHC.

Make America Europe!
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Was sure this would have the word "vasectomy" in it. 
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Ha Ha.

Q. So, under your scheme, who is going to raise taxes to pay for health care for fat overweight useless diabetic Patriots. ( Which is shown statistically, to be a reasonably accurate statement).

A. Thugs.


Tax the successful to pay for the stupid.

Which is what happens anyway.

But without the thuggery.


My healthcare plan would be, consume a sensible balanced diet, exercise regularly, and live and spend  within ones capabilities to do so.



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It increases their tax bill
you clearly have no idea how money works
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@3RU7AL
you clearly have no idea how money works
What relavent information am I missing?
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@zedvictor4
I'm surprised you are against UHC because you live in the UK.

But that's how some people work.  If I say, "Tax the globalists to pay for the healthcare of Patriots!", then you are against it.  If I say, "Tax the rich to pay for the healthcare of the poor!", then you support it.

These 2 statements are equivilant.  One is meant to appeal to the left; the other to the right.  But you care only about the vibes on a statement, which is a pretty stupid thing to care about.
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Here, The National Health Service (NHS) is funded by taxation. Taxation which is raised and administered by the appropriate government body.

Everyone who earns above a certain threshold pays tax, and everyone who buys goods and services pays tax.

Simple.

I've no problem with that.

I've also no problem with people who are financially more successful than me. They pay tax and I pay tax pro rata.

Though In terms of health care, the very well off are likely to utilise the private healthcare sector anyway.


There are also non-earners who genuinely need social support.

And then there are lazy useless spongers, who don't look after themselves, and expect the rest of society to carry them financially...Herein lies a real social problem.


I would suggest that your derived fantasy society of Globalists and Patriots, is what it is...Social media inspired conspiracy stuff.
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@zedvictor4
I would suggest that your derived fantasy society of Globalists and Patriots, is what it is...Social media inspired conspiracy stuff.
Globalist and billionaire are interchangable in this context, as are Patriot and American.
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Yep, but you chose Globalists and Patriots for a reason.


You could also refer to them as :

A. Clever Americans and B. Less clever Americans.

Or:

A. Financially savvy Americans and B. Ordinary working Americans.


Which ever way you do it B. will always envy A's success.
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@zedvictor4
You are correct, but then I'm assuming you no longer back UHC if it raises taxes on the globalists.  Is that correct?
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From my British perspective, I back the NHS which is funded through the State taxation of it's population.

A process administered by the elected British government.

I am a contented British citizen and do not envy financially successful people or organizations.

As far as I am concerned the term Globalist is just envy rhetoric.
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@zedvictor4
 I back the NHS which is funded through the State taxation of it's population.
The UK disproportionally taxes the globalists to fund the NHS.

I am a contented British citizen and do not envy financially successful people or organizations.

As far as I am concerned the term Globalist is just envy rhetoric.
Few envy the rich; they merely want them to pay more in taxes.  Rich and globalist are basically synonymous.

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@TheUnderdog
you clearly have no idea how money works
What relavent information am I missing?
the government and the international banking cartels

CREATE MONEY OUT OF THIN AIR
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You can be anti-inflation while also wanting to tax the globalists more.  They aren't mutually exclusive.
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You can be anti-inflation while also wanting to tax the globalists more.  They aren't mutually exclusive.
where do you think lawmakers get their campaign funds ?
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where do you think lawmakers get their campaign funds ?
Corporations; this is why Citizens United should be repealed.
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Corporations; this is why Citizens United should be repealed.
by whom ?