Trump's refusal to unconditionally accept the results of the election

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Trump says he will accept the results of the election only if it's a, "free and fair election".

Can anybody who likes Trump please tell me how the election will have both of the following criteria:

  1. The election is a free and fair election.
  2. Trump loses this election.
?  To me, it seems mutually exclusive.

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Trump says he will accept the results of the election only if it's a, "free and fair election".
Biden will also not accept the results If the election is unfair. It's a nothing statement. The only person to accept an unfair loss was actually Ruchard Nixon, because JFK stole that election and Nixon still gracefully accepted defeat 
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Also Gore.
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Gore did gracefully accept defeat. That's the funny thing he called Bush to concede and then when CNN called the election for him, he called back and told Bush he changed his mind and Bush said "you can't take back a concession". 
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Essentially, the SCOTUS ruling in Bush v Gore overturned a state ruling that would have allowed more votes to be counted, which in turn basically handed the presidency to Bush who won by having the higher count by a razor thin margin. There is additional history here, including that the Florida Secretary of State (Katherine Harris) in charge of monitoring the election was co-chair of the Bush for President Election Committee, or the "Brooks Brothers Riots" where the republican party flew in lawyers and literal paid operatives, who protested outside of places counting votes and successfully stopped recounts outside of the legal process. But the crux of the "steal" question is the SCOTUS ruling, if you think the SCOTUS unfairly gave the election to Bush.
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I don't want to see Roger stone go. He is the big gun the Bush team brought in to end the madness in Florida. It was a bunch of behind the scene stuff but he did a great deal. I wish I could talk to him . Guy is a genius
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Biden will also not accept the results If the election is unfair. 
The BoP is on you.

But answer my question.
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Sure I can answer

Can anybody who likes Trump please tell me how the election will have both of the following criteria:

The election is a free and fair election.
Trump loses this election.
? To me, it seems mutually exclusive
So things like weird events happening. Let's say masked men show up to voting booths with baseball bats and shirts that say, anybody voting Trump will get beat down when leaving the voting booth would count as unfair because it is threats of violence to manipulate votes. 

If the media is honest and covers things fairly and even handedly so voters can make an intelligent decision based on accurate facts and not things like massive manipulation that a peepee tape exists,  it will help. 

It's honestly not much to ask that people don't cheat. If their are dead people voting or illegal aliens voting that would also count as cheating. 

A loss that does not involve any cheating or indication of cheating Wil be accepted. 

Now question for you. Wil Biden except a loss if hackers log into all the voting machines and Trump gets 100% of the vote in predominantly black areas like chicago?

Will he accept it if there is no evidence of hacking?

The second question is important because it is obvious that cheating took place but the cheaters covered their tracks well so you Wil never be able to definitively prove it
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Let's say masked men show up to voting booths with baseball bats and shirts that say, anybody voting Trump will get beat down when leaving the voting booth would count as unfair because it is threats of violence to manipulate votes. 
If such a man shows up (which I think doesn't happen), then the voting officials would kick him out.  But this doesn't happen.

 If their are dead people voting or illegal aliens voting that would also count as cheating. 
This is true, but I don't think this happens on a big enough scale for it to flip any electoral votes in any states.

A loss that does not involve any cheating or indication of cheating Wil be accepted. 
I hope you are right.

How about this:

Lets say Biden wins in 2024.  Trump thinks it's rigged.  He should go to the Supreme Court and make his case for why he thinks it's rigged.  If he loses, then he should accept the results.  But lets say something like the South Side of Chicago goes 70% for democrats (normally it goes 95%).  I don't think Biden is going to claim it's rigged.

Now question for you. Wil Biden except a loss if hackers log into all the voting machines and Trump gets 100% of the vote in predominantly black areas like chicago?

Will he accept it if there is no evidence of hacking?
I would accept those results; I would be extremely surprised, but I would accept it.  But hackers didn't cause any area that normally votes 90% red to become 100% blue.  Trump is gaining among black voters, but still 80% of black voters are picking Biden (historically it's 90% and blacks in the hood tend to be more left voting than blacks in the suburbs).  I imagine the South Side of Chicago may go 87-13% for Biden.

The second question is important because it is obvious that cheating took place but the cheaters covered their tracks well so you Wil never be able to definitively prove it
If you do a deep enough search on it, then you will be able to find out if they cheated or not.  If I post, "Noodles are yummy" and delete it after 1 second after posting it, then someone somewhere can dig up the post where I said, "Noodles are yummy".

Once it's on the internet, it stays forever.

But you said if Biden wins and no masked men show up intimidating voters, then you will accept the results.  I agree.  This didn't happen in 2020.
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If such a man shows up (which I think doesn't happen), then the voting officials would kick him out.  But this doesn't happen.
It's not always at the booth location, and local officials don't always get involved even when they should.
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Yeah; murdering people because you disagree with their politics should get you the death sentence.  Even attempting to murder someone based on their politics should get you the death sentence (same thing if a never trumper threatened to murder Trump at Mar O Lago).  It's also pretty stupid to do this.

If you are a MAGA person, then you murdering Biden; yeah it causes the death of Biden, but some other democrat who you would argue is worse than Biden would replace him.  Same thing if you are a Never Trumper murdering Trump.

I'd be willing to vote for DeSantis over Biden possibly (only possibly), but not Trump.  DeSantis never did Jan 6.