Trump lies about Suckers and Losers and everything else

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Trump’s ridiculous debate performance was highlighted by his lie that Biden made up the story that Trump called servicemen killed in war “suckers and losers”

As this story above points out, General Kelly was the source of the suckers and losers statement. 

Of course the MAGA MORONS will believe the liar over General Kelly. Because they’re morons.

“A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them,’” Kelly told CNN in his lengthy statement about Trump. “A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’”
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So what, Kelly said it, not Trump. 
Hear say is useless gossip.
Ok genius. hear say is one word, spelled hearsay.

It takes 3 people to commit hearsay. This was two people. Kelly and Trump.

Stop embarrassing yourself 

Kelly didn’t call servicemen losers, Trump did. Kelly stated what Trump told him.

Trump also said he likes people who weren’t captured.  Cadet bone spurs, the draft dodger, likes people who weren’t captured.

So who do the MAGA MORONS believe? They believe the moron because they’re morons.


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The only suckers are the 13 military Biden killed in Afghanistan cause he was too busy checking his watch for ice-cream time. The military should have staged a coup on day one.
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The only suckers are the 13 military Biden killed in Afghanistan.
Oh that’s brilliant. So you must have been completely outraged when nearly 300 Marines were killed in Beirut when Reagan was president .

Tell us again what constitutes hearsay you genius 

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"General Kelly was the source" doesn't mean Trump actually said it. The Administration had a high cabinet-level turnover rate; a lot of ex-officials, after leaving the White House, had an ax to grind with their difficult ex-boss who fired them, perceived a career-damaging stigma attached to working for the man who the oligarchs hate (which would magically go away if they denounced and renounced him), or sought to rebrand themselves as bold and brave Trump critics to land a lucrative book deal or whatnot. Or several of the above.
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I lose my little faith in humanity when people don’t care about a candidate for president lying through his teeth, and get caught up on the other one sometimes fumbling over his words. It will be a dark day in America when people only care about a candidates charisma and charm rather than their actual record in office and accomplishments. 
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Aaaaanyway, I'll post some comments on the debate here instead of making a thread for it.

-The takeaway that Biden fumbled this whole debate is exaggerated. He had a hilarious senile expression on his face for much of it, sure, but after the first 5 minutes he spoke intelligently and was able to keep up.

-Trump looked and acted like his usual ageless self. He definitely won in this department. Then again, it did nothing for him come election day in 2020, so.

-Credit to 45 for emphasizing his pre-Covid economic track record while acknowledging both the crash and the extremely rapid recovery, and for pointing out that the last leg of recovery under Biden was "bounceback". This is exactly what I would've advised him to say, and what I was half-worried he wouldn't say.

-I expected the whole "felon" thing to overshadow the whole debate. Instead, it barely came up. Trump was a lot harsher on Biden than the other way around, and the moderators were fair. He walked away looking like a jerk, which is nothing new at this point.

-Trump also couldn't stay on topic. He obviously doesn't care about childcare, and when the mods gave him a last unmerited chance to answer the question he once again just attacked Biden. I wasn't paying as much attention at this point because I stepped out of the room to eat chips and salsa, and the cringe was part of why I chose that part to do so.

-Trump should've stumped hard on the point of fentanyl. He didn't stop the fentanyl ODs either but Biden's border policies are more convincingly conducive to its proliferation within the US.

-I'm honestly kind of dreading Trump's foreign policy, though I'll be voting for him anyway because 90% of everything else. He clearly doesn't have a plan to stop Ukraine, since without Western backing Ukraine won't be negotiating from any position of strength and there will be no guarantees that Putin doesn't just swallow the rest of the country after a year or two's pause to refit the Russian army.
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Unbelievable. You are delusional 
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TV debates are cheap entertainment.
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Trump’s ridiculous debate performance was highlighted by his lie that Biden made up the story that Trump called servicemen killed in war “suckers and losers”
Trump’s ridiculous debate performance was highlighted by Biden's horrible debate performance. 

I hate Trump as much or more than you, and I love Biden, but oh my God, the State of the Union was what, 3 months ago.  The difference between then and last night looks like rapid cognitive decline.

For most voters, what was said doesn't matter, what matters is how it looked, and it looked like a train wreck.

Shit, I cannot cope with another four years of Trump.


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"General Kelly was the source" doesn't mean Trump actually said it. The Administration had a high cabinet-level turnover rate; a lot of ex-officials, after leaving the White House, had an ax to grind with their difficult ex-boss who fired them
Why do you guys keep making excuses for him? People get fired in every administration, never before have we had so many people this close to the president warning people about how dangerous he is. General Kelly was his hand picked chief of staff not to mention a 4 star general, taking Trump’s denials over his recounting of the story is ridiculous especially given how well these comments fit with everything else Trump has said publicly.
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TV debates are cheap entertainment.
Zed you may mean inexpensive.  Free entertainment

Cheap  has connotations of poor quality ergo, a lack of structural integrity.

Inexpensive can also be ' cheap ' quality, tho not necessarily so
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I'll post some comments on the debate here instead of making a thread for it.
I actually agree with most of your recap. I will just say I hate these debate formats. 2 min to answer and 1 minute to respond is ridiculous. Sure the moderators followed up at times but these really aren’t debates more than they are just long formatted interviews. They’re trying to cover every topic which cannot be done meaningfully, so instead all we get are the same talking points we’ve been hearing from these two for months if not years.
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The looser of the boob tv free entertainment, is the USA peoples and others, if the violent tendencies of Trumpet ---{ 34 felony counts and more coming }---  and his violent tendency MAGA Cult get voted in.

1} Biden is has a speech issue from childhood, that, still bears the scars over many years of his experiences in congress, vice president and president.

....Kamala Harris is his backing should  his structural or systemic integrity falter.....

2} Trumpet has had misleading false narrative since childhood, that, has led to  incitement of violent tendencies in his MAGA Cult.

.......?? ? is Trumpets backing should his structural integrity systemic  ---includes lack of moral integrity--- falter......

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never before have we had so many people this close to the president warning people about how dangerous he is.
That's because he isn't using the system to pay off people as is typical with normal government corruption. Why do you really think Obama is "scandal free"

Nevermind with the canned cultish responses to that.
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It doesn't matter how much Trump lied in the debate, nobody can't let Joe's performance go unnoticed. It's incredible how much his mental health has deteriorated over only 4 years since the last debate. This is unfortunately the way how people age. He reminds me of my 78 yo grandpa when I saw him again after a couple of years, he was barely able to speak. Shit, I don't wanna imagine Joe in the presidency again in a couple of years, that is ludicrous.

I think the public opinion is unanimous, Joe has to leave the candidature and let someone else replace him. The problem is that Kamala is even worse.
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or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them

abolish the military

and make the government pay market rate for mercenaries

this is what we call "CAPITALISM"
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It doesn't matter how much Trump lied in the debate
not exactly SHOCKING NEWS to anyone on planet earth
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the violent tendencies of Trumpet ---{ 34 felony counts and more coming }
i guess "falsifying ledger entries" = VIOLENCE  now
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given how well these comments fit with everything else Trump has said publicly
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people only care about a candidates charisma and charm rather than their actual record
nixon destroyed jfk in the radio debates

jfk destroyed nixon in the television debates
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Why do you guys keep making excuses for him? 
I reject this framing. "Making excuses" implies denial of the obviously true.

First, visiting a cemetery and calling the soldiers who were buried there "losers and suckers" would be such an exceptionally horrid and unbelievable statement for a grown man not in the throes of dementia to make in the company of other grown men that exceptional proof is warranted to prove that it happened as described. I don't care if you feel as though Trump is the kind of guy who'd say it. Again, show me the exceptional proof.
Second, given that the alleged statement "leaked" close to the 2020 election, there was such blatant motive by Trump's enemies, including the press, to fabricate the statement, given it could sway potentially millions of votes to the Biden camp if widely believed by the public. It's a sad but true reality that millions of American voters including yourself totally ignore the 50 ton elephant in the room, which is said conflict of interest that's been there since 2015, when it comes to reporting on the former president by people who hate his guts and will literally cry on television if he wins the election.

Seriously. If coverage of US presidential elections were covered by networks and journalists from a spread of foreign countries, I suspect the end result would be more fair and neutral. With the American press they'll either do whatever it takes to help Trump win or they'll do whatever it takes to make Trump lose. There is, for some inexplicable reason, no middle ground.

People get fired in every administration
First, I would presume that Bush's men, or Obama's men, dealt with a boss who treated them with respect and parted on amiable terms. It's self-evident that they'd be less likely to hold a grudge than somebody who worked under Trump.

Second:
If you worked for Bush or Obama and got fired, you find somewhere else to work. No problem.
If you worked for Trump and in your capacity as Secretary of whatever department defended him and his policies on TV, and you get fired, there will be hell to pay for it. The system will not let your "sin" go unpunished. There's only one way to be absolved.
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I'm not sure if MAGA supporters actually don't believe General Kelly or just don't care. I've been called worse by MAGA folks for my military service so the latter is believable.
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visiting a cemetery and calling the soldiers who were buried there "losers and suckers" would be such an exceptionally horrid and unbelievable statement for a grown man not in the throes of dementia to make in the company of other grown men that exceptional proof is warranted to prove that it happened as described. I don't care if you feel as though Trump is the kind of guy who'd say it. Again, show me the exceptional proof.
This analysis defies logic and reality. The idea here is “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”, but you are overblowing the claim in order to raise the evidential standard beyond all practicality.

The alleged statement is absolutely horrid and for anyone else would be extraordinary, but for Trump it certainly isn’t. This is the same man who publicly mocked John McCain for his wartime injuries and said he was not a hero because he got caught. He clearly has no respect for military service. Moreover, Trump’s propensity to see everyone as either a winner or loser could not be more substantiated - it’s literally central to his entire brand.

So when you say you don’t care what we think about Trump you’re ignoring both logic and reality - the fact that this fits Trump perfectly immediately downgrades the need for “exceptional proof” because the claim itself is not exceptional.

Adding to that, this story was reported back in 2020 and it took John Kelly 3 years to finally admit to it. That demonstrates that he had no axe to grind which cuts entirely against your excuse that he’s just some disgruntled former employee looking to get even. All of which only adds to the fact that he’s again, a four star general and Trump’s hand picked chief of staff. I don’t know how much more exceptional it could possibly get than that.

This isn’t a court of law, it’s a court of public opinion. A unanimous jury verdict of beyond a reasonable doubt is not the standard here. We’re talking about Occam’s Razor, and there is no rational case to be made that this story being made up and confirmed by members of Trump’s own inner circle is a better explanation than the idea that he did in fact say it.
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Donald Trump, 2005: “I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”
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not exactly SHOCKING NEWS to anyone on planet earth
Trump wasn't even carried away as he used to. He was under control to my surprise.

According to some experts, Biden could lose up to 12 points in the polls. That's quite a problem.

The Democrats must be in a panic. They have to find another candidate already.
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or just don't care
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Maga have heard manufactured fanfiction hearsay stories for years now. It's old crap. Just like this 2 year old article in the OP.


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Trump wasn't even carried away as he used to. He was under control to my surprise.
I was surprised MSM didn't continue to gaslight. Something major is up here.