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Every single anti abortion male (myself included) shouldn't have sex until the doctor approves of their vasectomy.

This is the only respectable way to be anti-abortion I think.

You think the concern of 9 months of plausible woman's pain isn't worth committing intentional fetal homicide; I agree.  Then the concern of 3 days or so of male pain from vasectomies is also not worth committing fetal homicide.

Get vasectomized before you have sex that has the potential to produce pregnancy or shut up about abortion.
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Would murder be okay just because a serial killer was pro making murder illegal?

You can be a shitty person and have good policy positions, you can change your kind about things also. Who cares.
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Would murder be okay just because a serial killer was pro making murder illegal?
Murder would not be ok, but a serial killer doesn't get to preach about how bad murder is when they did it themselves.  Find someone who isn't a serial killer to preach about how bad murder is.

you can change your kind about things also. Who cares.
What do you believe the penalty for murder should be?  Assuming it's the right wing position, it's death.  If not, then probably life imprisonment.  Unless you believe murderers should get rehabilitated into society (so very far left position), you don't get to make this argument.

I believe murderers should get killed, so I don't believe in trying abortion like murder (because then it would mean the death penalty for women that get abortions).
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Murder would not be ok, but a serial killer doesn't get to preach about how bad murder is when they did it themselves.  Find someone who isn't a serial killer to preach about how bad murder is.
i would sooner elect a murderer who would keep murder illegal than a peaceful person who would legalize it.

What do you believe the penalty for murder should be?  Assuming it's the right wing position, it's death.  If not, then probably life imprisonment.  Unless you believe murderers should get rehabilitated into society (so very far left position), you don't get to make this argument.
It depends on the murder, honestly. Two drug dealers in a shoot out and one dies, I would give a lesser punishment to than somebody who murdered his wife for insurance money. For abortion, I would like to see women go practically unpunished and for doctors to be the ones going to jail. I am going to have a lot of empathy for a woman who has to make that decision. I disagree with the decision, but wouldn't want to judge her too harshly
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i would sooner elect a murderer who would keep murder illegal than a peaceful person who would legalize it.
I can understand that perspective, but I also understand the anti hypocrisy perspective.  I would have executed the murderer and have the pro-murder politician run against someone else.

For abortion, I would like to see women go practically unpunished and for doctors to be the ones going to jail.
If you have this as the standard, then if abortion is banned, then doctors will refuse to provide abortions, meaning the woman who gets an abortion would perform one personally.  Whatever punishment you would give to the doctor, you would have to give to the woman.  What is that punishment?

 Two drug dealers in a shoot out and one dies, I would give a lesser punishment to than somebody who murdered his wife for insurance money. 
I would execute both murderers.

Parents of aborted babies should do community service as their punishment.  Giving parents of aborted babies the death penalty is a non-starter.
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meaning the woman who gets an abortion would perform one personally.  Whatever punishment you would give to the doctor, you would have to give to the woman.  What is that punishment?
This is pretty rare and statistics cited prior to abortions becoming widely legal that contributed to this common misconception were made up. I think that it's not something that needs to go punished. Shoving a hot coat hanger up your vagina is punishment enough, should you choose to attempt an abortion on yourself.

Parents of aborted babies should do community service as their punishment. 
I don't know if we can take this conversation anywhere. I disagree, it cannot be easy making that decision, and I am sure it's going to be a trauma you have to live with for the rest of your life.
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This is pretty rare and statistics cited prior to abortions becoming widely legal that contributed to this common misconception were made up.
Back then, they also weren't nearly as sex positive (and the women actually waited until marriage in those days).  

 I think that it's not something that needs to go punished.
Then you want abortion to be legal.  Disagreeing with the decision to abort is different than wanting to ban abortion.  Like, I disagree with people's decision to drink alcohol.  I think they should be allowed to make that decision because I'm pro choice on alcohoul consumption.  Anti Abortion means you want to ban (and punish) those responsible for abortions.

I disagree, it cannot be easy making that decision, and I am sure it's going to be a trauma you have to live with for the rest of your life.
I'm anti abortion; I believe zygote's lives matter more than their woman's pain.  I hope the woman who get abortions (as well as their boyfriends) feel trauma from it because they committed homicide and I want murderers to suffer.  If you disagree with this, then it's totally understandable, but then you would want abortion to be legal (discouraging abortion is a subset of wanting it to be legal).  I'm just very brutally honest; I'm not pro life; I'm anti abortion.  I want it banned and both parents of the aborted baby punished.  It's fine if you disagree.
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Then you want abortion to be legal.  Disagreeing with the decision to abort is different than wanting to ban abortion
No I don't I just think women shouldn't be punished too harshly if at all, and that doctors should be serving serious time. I put the bulk of the responsibility on the doctors and very little on the women getting abortions. It doesn't mean I think it should be legal. It means I believe women at worst should get a slap on the wrist for it.


I believe zygote's lives matter more than their woman's pain
Honestly I would go as far as to say that infanticide up until about 1 month should be a slap on the wrist for women. I know we are going to disagree here but after having studied some of the cultural reasons behind this in areas it is extremely common such as India, I have a lot of empathy for these women. I have empathy for the babies as well, I just think there are levels of murder. You seem to disagree as you pointed out that a drug dealer in a shootout who kills a rival deserves the same punishment as somebody killing their wife or children.  I think most people disagree with you here. It doesn't make you wrong if most people disagree, but you may want to consider why we do think of murder in degrees, like 1st degree or 2nd degree or 3rd degree and why we differentiate them from negligent homicide or manslaughter and why we differentiate that between self defense or why we allow mitigating factors like heat of passion or justified homicide if you defend the life of another.
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No I don't I just think women shouldn't be punished too harshly if at all, and that doctors should be serving serious time.
Then doctors won't perform abortions meaning women would self perform their own abortions, so whatever punishment you give to the doctor you would have to give to the woman.

It doesn't mean I think it should be legal. It means I believe women at worst should get a slap on the wrist for it.
What do you mean when you say, "Slap on the wrist"?  Like, is it a fine or something?

Honestly I would go as far as to say that infanticide up until about 1 month should be a slap on the wrist for women. 
I believe if you murder an infant who has already been born, then you should be executed.  At that point, bodily autonomy is no longer an argument.

 It doesn't make you wrong if most people disagree, but you may want to consider why we do think of murder in degrees, like 1st degree or 2nd degree or 3rd degree and why we differentiate them from negligent homicide or manslaughter and why we differentiate that between self defense or why we allow mitigating factors like heat of passion or justified homicide if you defend the life of another.
What is the difference between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd degree murder?  Like, what would an example of each be?
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  • Then doctors won't perform abortions meaning women would self perform their own abortions,

Wrong, they mostly just will opt not to get them

whatever punishment you give to the doctor you would have to give to the woman.
The point is to scare doctors so they are less willing to give abortions and jail those who aren't scared so they aren't an option. 

I already pointed out that this notion women will just get abortions even if they are made illegal and have no access to doctors is just wrong. They will actually have less unwanted pregnancies and just opt out of abortions more often. 

Arresting doctors is not about punishing abortions. It is about creating an environment where abortions are more rare. 

What do you mean when you say, "Slap on the wrist"? Like, is it a fine or something?
Maybe like public shame. Old ladies shaking their head in disapproval when they see somebody who has had an abortion walk by. The females friends dropping her for being the type of person to do that, etc.

I believe if you murder an infant who has already been born, then you should be executed. At that point, bodily autonomy is no longer an argument.
I don't see bodily autonomy as a valid argument anyway. Liberals know they are lying when they claim bodily autonomy arguments as well, which is why they supported vaccine mandates and support things like free healthcare, which would prevent doctors from having as much bodily autonomy. Unless a person is an anarchist, bodily autonomy is a lie. It also ignores the bodily autonomy of the unborn infant as well.

What is the difference between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd degree murder? Like, what would an example of each be?
Not googling it but from memory. First degree is premeditated,  2nd is murder without premeditated and 3rd degree I forget maybe like making sure they suffer when they die or something. 
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Wrong, they mostly just will opt not to get them
Any reason a woman has to get an abortion doesn't go away just because a doctor can't perform an abortion.

They will actually have less unwanted pregnancies and just opt out of abortions more often. 
Only if they stop having recreational sex (which; premarital sex is Pandora's box; it's not going back in the box).

Maybe like public shame. 
Public shame is reliant on 2 things, neither of which will happen:

  1. Everyone in your community knowing you got an abortion.  The city I live in has as many people as there are seconds in a day.  It's easy to find people that don't know you had an abortion.
  2. A society where like 99% of people are anti abortion.  Nationwide; it's about at 40%.  That 40% at most would shun you; the 60% wouldn't care.  Of that 40%, many of them would give compassion to women that got abortions (so they don't really want to ban it; you don't give compassion to someone you believe committed murder).
 Liberals know they are lying when they claim bodily autonomy arguments as well, which is why they supported vaccine mandates and support things like free healthcare, which would prevent doctors from having as much bodily autonomy.
They don't believe in bodily autonomy; they believe in being anti unwanted pain (AUP) and vacciene mandates, UHC, and abortion all reduce unwanted pain.  So do AR 15 bans (mass shootings cause pain) and abolishing ICE (deportations cause pain).  So does abolishing the death penalty and doing rehabilitation for murderers (it's the least painful option).  I merely am LUSHOOTY; so my morality is different.  I respect their morality even if I don't agree with it.  The conservatives have no consistent morality.  That I can't respect.

Not googling it but from memory. First degree is premeditated,  2nd is murder without premeditated and 3rd degree I forget maybe like making sure they suffer when they die or something. 
If your definition of 3rd degree is true, then it's a subset of 1st degree murder.

I think based on these definitions, that all 3 should be punished with death (based on these definitions assuming they are accurate).  If you shoot someone for fun, it's not premeditated, but you should still face death.