A Blueprint for Peace in Gaza

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Recently the Biden Administration rolled out its "ceasefire plan", which entails an exchange of prisoners and hostages and an immediate withdrawal of all Israeli forces from Gaza, leaving the orchestrators of last year's mini Holocaust in power. Any reasonable person, upon glancing at it for longer than two seconds, would realize this is not a serious proposal, because PM Netanyahu will obviously never agree to this. Not after October 7, and not after Israel had sunk so much blood, treasure, and political capital into driving Hamas away from Israel's borders. And for another thing, it would permanently end Netanyahu's career. He would be forever reviled among the left and many moderates for slaughtering tens of thousands of Gazan civilians for no reason, while he'd be forever reviled on the right for chickening out at the last second when they'd almost brought Hamas to heel.

So then, here's a serious proposal.

#1. Evacuation of Hamas from the Gaza Strip, and total Israeli occupation.
Diplomacy must either recognize gross power imbalances or the state of war must continue. In this case, Israel holds the upper hand. This must, of course, be balanced against the need to offer the weaker party something of enough value to justify laying down their arms. In this case, an escape to a friendly third country (Muslims everywhere seem to love Hamas and deny they did anything wrong, so this shouldn't be too hard to arrange).
Yahya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas, and his cronies, will be allowed to spend the rest of their lives on a beach sipping martinis and reminiscing fondly about that time they killed a bunch of Jewish children and babies and got away with it. This is a hard pill for Israelis to swallow, but they will have achieved their objective of expelling this existential threat from Gaza.

At the same time, this should take the fight out of Gazans. Hamas started a war in their name, ditched them when things got heated, and left them to clean up the rubble and bury the mangled shells of their loved ones. They'll be similarly distrustful in the future of any group similar to Hamas.

#2. One year of Israeli military occupation to mop up any partisans who didn't evacuate, followed by one year of a new elected Gazan government backed up by the Israeli military, followed by Israeli withdrawal
As a show of goodwill to the PA, the authority in the West Bank will be allowed to play a role in establishing this new government, and send its politicians and bureaucrats to assume key roles there. However, it is dangerous to Israel for Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza to be united, so the two governments will be independent from each other.
Likewise, Israel will have the ultimate say up until said withdrawal. The first election cycle? Israel will vet all candidates and parties, and ban Hamas-style radicals from running. The new constitution? Israel will vet it for any antisemitic language or pledge to make war on Israel. The new Supreme Court, whose justices will serve for life? Israel will have to approve the first batch of judges to be appointed to it, ensuring a moderate wing of the government even if Gazans should subsequently elect radicals after the withdrawal.

#3. A full and immediate lifting of the Gazan Blockade, and an Israeli donation of $10-$20 billion to help Gaza rebuild
Straightforward. Hamas was the reason for this blockade, so if they're gone then it can be repealed, contingent on the Gazans not installing any Hamas-like group in the future.

#4. A treaty of peace between Israel and the new Gazan government, and Gaza signs the NPT
Also straightforward.
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In this case, an escape to a friendly third country (Muslims everywhere seem to love Hamas and deny they did anything wrong, so this shouldn't be too hard to arrange).
Does Hamas even care about escaping with their lives? They haven't given me that impression.
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There are thousands of Hamas members and they don't all think alike. Some may be willing to die as martyrs, while the others aren't. These negotiations could succeed if those who desired to live were at the helm.
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These negotiations could succeed if those who desired to live were at the helm.
I guess it would help that the ones who desire to live are more likely to still be alive.
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So then, here's a serious proposal.

#1. Evacuation of Hamas from the Gaza Strip, and total Israeli occupation
Good luck getting Hamas to agree to your serious proposal.
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@Swagnarok
Any reasonable person, upon glancing at it for longer than two seconds, would realize this is not a serious proposal
Hamas needs time to regroup and rearm so they can do the same thing in 5 years.

It is a serious proposal for those that hope for the conflict to continue indefinitely. Those are exactly the kind of people who make US foreign policy.


In this case, an escape to a friendly third country (Muslims everywhere seem to love Hamas and deny they did anything wrong, so this shouldn't be too hard to arrange).
Contrary to the racist precepts of left-triber, the people in Gaza  and the West Bank (despite being purportedly 'brown') do in fact have fully operational brains. There are people from central Africa showing up on the shores of England.

They didn't get (much) help, but they had a goal. If the "palestininans" wanted to leave, they could certainly have arranged it long ago. They don't want to leave and the Muslim countries don't want to take them in because they want to stay and kill the Jews and the Muslim countries want them to stay and kill the Jews.

The notion that they would leave but for some unfortunate lack of boats is absurd.


Yahya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas, and his cronies, will be allowed to spend the rest of their lives on a beach sipping martinis and reminiscing fondly about that time they killed a bunch of Jewish children and babies and got away with it.
There is a reason to lock up murderers and rapists besides the emotional satisfaction of it. When people get away with something, something that they wanted to do in the first place; there is an excellent chance they will try again.

That being said, in this case the rest of the world could be considered a prison of sorts since Hamas would have a hard time attacking from officially sovereign territory without controlling the government there. Which is not to say they wouldn't try, which goes to explain why none of the nearby Muslim states are too interested in 'refugees'. They would be taking on the never ending task of keeping these people from starting a 'proper' war with Israel.


#2. One year of Israeli military occupation to mop up any partisans who didn't evacuate, followed by one year of a new elected Gazan government backed up by the Israeli military, followed by Israeli withdrawal
Nah, total annexation with strict background checks for anyone attempting to remigrate. Anything less would let Hamas 'sneak' back in and the result is no different from a 5 year ceasefire.


The first election cycle? Israel will vet all candidates and parties, and ban Hamas-style radicals from running.
Democracy in name only. The deceptive imitation is more repulsive than the lack.



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What's the alternative? That most of them will be dead in less than a year?
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Some people prefer to die rather than give up all their land.
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The notion that they would leave but for some unfortunate lack of boats is absurd.
The reason they didn't leave before is because they were rulers of the land, and held out hopes that Israel would give up and they'd stay rulers of the land. But with every mile Israel advances, giving up and going home becomes less and less thinkable. Assuming Netanyahu has the slightest semblance of a backbone, the offensive will continue and Hamas will eventually lose the chance to negotiate. They're already backed into Rafah and have run out of land to retreat to within Gaza.

If you can't keep your throne, the next best thing you can do is keep your life and your freedom. That's why Hamas may find these terms acceptable.

There is a reason to lock up murderers and rapists besides the emotional satisfaction of it. When people get away with something, something that they wanted to do in the first place; there is an excellent chance they will try again.
How? If they're over in Iran or whatnot, and gave up their weapons when they evacuated, how could they storm Israel or Gaza? Would Iran hand them weapons and risk a war with Israel?

Democracy in name only. The deceptive imitation is more repulsive than the lack.
The lack would only be at first. After Israel left, they'd be free to elect radicals, provided they were willing to incur Israel's retaliation. But for 15+ years the moderates haven't had a voice in Gaza. Giving them, say, two years to call the shots and prove better leaders than Hamas would offer the Gazans compelling reason to keep them in charge.
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The notion that they would leave but for some unfortunate lack of boats is absurd.
The reason they didn't leave before is because they were rulers of the land, and held out hopes that Israel would give up and they'd stay rulers of the land. But with every mile Israel advances, giving up and going home becomes less and less thinkable.
So your peace plan is to give them an escape route as their total defeat is upon them saving Israel from having to kill/imprison them all?

I don't see why this is better than killing/imprisoning them.

The real problem is that they will pretend to be wriddle herwpress children at the opportune moment and it will be almost impossible to sort them out from the hundreds of thousands of more or less civilians.

I suppose if it's a clever means of filtering out the bad guys it's a good idea. The ones who don't fear Israeli justice will stay, and they probably deserve to stay.


There is a reason to lock up murderers and rapists besides the emotional satisfaction of it. When people get away with something, something that they wanted to do in the first place; there is an excellent chance they will try again.
How? If they're over in Iran or whatnot, and gave up their weapons when they evacuated, how could they storm Israel or Gaza? Would Iran hand them weapons and risk a war with Israel?
A) Iran would not agree, no Muslim country has agreed
B) You should have picked Turkey. They're the only ones as far as we know who haven't aided and abetted paramilitary/terrorist operations far from their borders. Iran for example has done exactly what you describe, arm people and send them a thousand kilometers away with hand chosen leadership. They are at this moment and have been risking war with Israel, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, The USA, and historically Russia.


There is a reason to lock up murderers and rapists besides the emotional satisfaction of it. When people get away with something, something that they wanted to do in the first place; there is an excellent chance they will try again.
How? If they're over in Iran or whatnot, and gave up their weapons when they evacuated, how could they storm Israel or Gaza? Would Iran hand them weapons and risk a war with Israel?
I think we've had just about enough of that.


But for 15+ years the moderates haven't had a voice in Gaza.
That's because the 'moderates' 15 years ago gave it to Hamas.

Like Tim Pool says, maybe if they want to keep voting the same way it's their fault.


Giving them, say, two years to call the shots and prove better leaders than Hamas would offer the Gazans compelling reason to keep them in charge.
Almost anything would be an improvement over the total war economy of Hamas.
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An easier solution to Israel Palestine; encourage all the Jews living in Israel to move to the US to escape the bombings from Hamas whether or not they are documented (because quite frankly; papers should be irrelevant).

What's the alternative? That most of them will be dead in less than a year?
There won't be nearly as many dead Jews if they move to the US to escape the bombings from Hamas and if they don't have to worry about getting sent back to the middle east where they would get murdered for being Jewish.
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(Muslims everywhere seem to love Hamas and deny they did anything wrong, so this shouldn't be too hard to arrange).

Lol, you know this is not true. Based civilizations know thugs when they see them.

There's only 3 feasible places they would be allowed to go and that's USA, Australia, or Canada as most of Europe elected based leaders recently.
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Hamas is unlikely to agree to anything that resembles a clear ‘Yahood’ victory. Though, I guess you could force the other palestinians to agree to such terms, assuming they have an authority beyond being ruled by Hamas. Doing so will involve some form of guerilla warfare from Hamas for the next few decades, even if there’s a share of goodwill from Israel. Hamas has the financial backing of the entire muslim world, and they would want to draw this out as much as possible.

Anyone can easily understand the perspective of an average Hamas combatant. They abide by the Quran, a rich and ancient code that was officially published by King Uthman (the prophet’s companion and third king of his Rashidun caliphate). Any laws instructed by it are further supplemented by the Hadith (i.e. Bukhari, Muslim). Since Israel has stolen of something that muslims possess, here are some relevant (and valid) perspectives on the ideology championed by Hamas.

Consider the story of Ibn Taymiyyah, an islamic scholar responsible for renewing the primitive conception of Islam:

“Jihad linguistically means to exert one’s utmost effort in word and action; in the Sharia it is the fighting of the unbelievers and involves all possible efforts that are necessary to dismantle the power of the enemies of Islam including beating them, plundering their wealth, destroying their places of worship and smashing their idols.This means that jihad is to strive to the utmost to ensure the strength of Islam by such means as fighting those who fight you and the dhimmies (if they violate any of the terms of the treaty) and the apostates (who are the worst of unbelievers, for they disbelieved after they have affirmed their belief).”

  • That all dhimmies must pay the Jizya Tax and abide by all islamic viewpoints which are public. If dhimmies fatally affect islam's viewpoint and sanctity, they are branded as a KAFIR. Any courts, clubs, bars and political movements that violate Islam must have their rights refused.
The handicapped, blind and retarded are exempted from combat. Until such a time that they are, as Ibn Taymiyyah puts it:

“As for those who cannot offer resistance or cannot fight, such as women, children, monks, old people, the blind, handicapped and their likes, they shall not be killed, unless they actually fight with words and acts. Some scholars are of the opinion that all of them may be killed, on the mere ground that they are unbelievers, but they make an exception for women and children since they constitute property for Muslims...Any group of people that rebels against any single prescript of the clear and reliably transmitted prescripts of Islam must be fought, according to the leading scholars of Islam, even if the members of this group pronounce the Islamic Confession of Faith…The adulterers, homosexuals, and those who abandon jihad, the innovators and the alcoholics, as well as those who associate with them, are a source of harm to the religion of Islam. They will not co-operate in matters of righteousness and piety. So whoever does not shun their company is, in fact, abandoning what he has been commanded to do and is committing a despicable deed.”






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@Swagnarok
Kids grow up accepting what they are taught.

There is currently no blueprint for a cohesive global society (Peace).

Just a half arsed plan for a temporary cessation of the same old shit.